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How many out of ten Europeans use Meta or TikTok?
You can use something and still not trust something.
What point are you trying to make?
I can spell it out for you:
People recognize the problem, but don’t take appropriate action.
I mean, this was my first question as well. If you say “I don’t trust that guy with my kids,” then you also should not be leaving that person alone with your kids. If you do leave him alone with your kids, people aren’t wrong to say that you very much are trusting him with them.
So I think it’s legitimate to ask whether they mean they “don’t trust Chinese and US firms with their data” in the sense that they do not provide their data to them, or just in the sense that they do give them a bunch of data, and then feel misgivings about it.
Which, y’know, it’s something you have a limited degree of control over, certainly, and we don’t want to fall too much into blaming the victims. But as someone who didn’t manage to actually get off Facebook until last year, I definitely felt for a long while before that like I was complicit in my own exploitation, and contributing to a societal problem. I think even the people still there know that cancelling it is the low-hanging fruit in terms of reducing the amount of data in the hands of dubious firms.
Used Meta once it was still caled Facebook and even then i did lose interest a few year after i made the account. Well and Tiktok as i first saw it all i thought that it was a desiese and it should be burned.
I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.
The word you’re looking for is pdf files, or jews
Elon Musk is the middle of that Venn Diagram.
Seems like 2 out of 10 Europeans need to get their head checked.
Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.
Honestly, I prefer someone else’s untrustworthy.
I don’t trust China at all, but I trust them over the US, if only because they have no stake in me as a foreigner.
Yet… they play the long game.
They are all in on renewables. The US want everyone on oil and coal, the US wants the junky to keep and dependency.
We are the bad guys.
I don’t really see how that is relevant. Or how a country’s energy sources alone can determine whether they are “good” or “bad”.
It is an example of China being stable and the US being unreasonable and evil.
I don’t think it’s anything more than short-term versus long-term thinking.
I would not describe either country as “good”, but that has nothing to do with the above statement.
Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.
At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.
For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.
Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.
Data control laws to prevent the sale of data not the government use of data.
governments often buy data instead of obtaining the necessary warrants, because its easier and more effective. if they can’t buy it, they have to do it the harder way, and the harder way can be made even harder with legislation
The us isn’t fond of other countries spying on you either. The state has not relinquished any amount of power or control in my lifetime. Europe caring about privacy is a facade.
Boy do I have some news for you. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
https://youtu.be/Kw96Qh0-rs0 (Gotta use auto-subs)
I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.
China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!
they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them
Cool story
Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”
I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.
“Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”
Or America, who will reject your Visa for having a meme on JD Vance on your phone
I’m currently in the process of degoogling. There’s a lot to consider.
Congratulations, you’ve come to your senses.
It can be tough to do, I finally just got off Google photos backing up my pictures and videos maybe 2 weeks ago.
I already had them also being sent to my PC with resilio sync, but since I moved to Linux I didn’t have backblaze anymore (B2 is too expensive for me and their “unlimited” cloud backup is mac and windows only) and didn’t know of any affordable alternatives so I wasn’t willing to drop my only cloud backup even if it’s Google.
Eventually I canceled the annual storage plan and said “I’ll figure it out by then”, didn’t figure it out, found jottacloud after that and am now using that.
I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…
If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot
I trust that Chinese Firms won’t directly lead to my door being kicked in by ICE.
That is more than I can say about American firms.
This applies only if you’re american. Which is a small part of the world.
Outside China which part of the world are you more concerned with China kicking in the door instead of the US government?
Chinese firms are more worthy of your trust than american ones, but its still not a positive number.
I can unterstand that but it still sound like copeing to me.
It is definitely a ‘there is bad guy so alternative to bad guy is good guy’ without understanding what kind of setting theure talking about sorta problem.
True
If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.
Don’t trust anyone, not even yourself.
Full time ass job to keep up with every single security bulletin.
What’s an ass job? Like, butt stuff?
Yes. It’s a shit job. But it’s honest work
Full time ass job
Sounds exhausting.
Leaves you utterly pooped.
Send it to me. I’ll keep it safe. I promise not to share it.
Still a better deal than what all big tech firms offer.
One year later: I’m changing the conditions of my promise.
Yeah I wouldn’t lol
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I think this is the right mentality to have.
Data isn’t very valuable if you can’t transmit it.
At some point you need to trust someone
You can trust meeeeeeeee! What’s your first pets maiden name?
I just asked it. It’s “Woof”.
Weird, my pet said the same. Is your password also
*************?No, mine is
*****************, but I honestly like yours better.GayGoatFuckerhas a special ring to it that*****************doesn’t have.
4/5 of the people i know in the US don’t trust the US.
You can make that 6/7 (my wife and I).
6 7
You might not, but I do 🤷
10 in 10 Americans don’t trust Europeans, Chinese with data
Typical US citizen, butting into a conversation that isn’t even about you. We’re talking about global matters, not your backwater shithole.
Good lord, what’s wrong with the other two?
One of them is probably steam lol.
They over-consumed the goods from those countries and they lost their minds.
Fascists.
At this point how does anyone trust anyone with their data?
I live in the US and I dont trust US companies with my data either. They either sell it or are handled by easily exploitable systems developed offshore in India.
So, in that sense I do not trust the US, China, India, or Russia with my data and avoid software developed in any of these places when feasibly possible.
Even FOSS software? The Linux Foundation’s headquartered in the US.
I do get the rationale, but honestly you could just change that to “proprietary software” and you’d have more options with just as much data security.
Are you giving data to the Linux Foundation?
He clearly says “with my data”?
Man, that’s a pretty limited app list.
American here, I don’t trust US firms with data
I trust that they’ll be complete push-overs when it comes to law enforcement and agency data requests without a warrant.
Outside of moving data overseas, away from 5/9-eyes, I’m having a bad time figuring out how to obtain cryptographic control over my data within existing services. This leaves me to just upload crypto blobs everywhere with no real services to support it, or buying my own hardware and co-locating it myself.
I trust they are selling my data to make money, even when I ask them not to.
