Jesus was 100% Jewish circa year zero. Observed Torah, went to and taught at synagogues, celebrated Hannukkah, ate a kosher diet, etc. But Christians don’t follow Jesus’s own religious practices.
Most christians seem to ignore most or all of the bible, anyway.
After reading the book, I realized I’m following much more of the Bible as a Muslim than an average Christard zealot does.
It’s mostly due to Paul, most Christians are mostly following what Paul wrote. Churches that don’t follow Paul, like messianics, are wildly different.
I’ve met messianic Christians who to me felt Jewish like me but with the Jesus talk.
whoa, I didn’t know there were Churches that don’t follow Paul. he’s one of my biggest issues with Christianity.
I felt like Christianity suffered a lot from so many gentiles streaming in early on without becoming Jews, and by the time it became the religion of Rome it blended with Sol Invictus, Greek Platonism and other Roman mythology, and became incomprehensible. Jesus was Jewish, the Disciples were all Jews, all the context of his teachings only make sense in a context the fresh converts lacked.
I kinda wonder about an alternate universe where a sect of Jews accept Jesus as Moshiach but not as literally God. there’d be no trinity, the parables would go into the Talmud, he’d be seen as a rebbe like Hillel I guess.
Yeah, also Jesus wasn’t white.
I think Brian was, though.
Pretty sure his Roman.
Because Jesus showed them a better way? I thought that was the point of it.
All of Jesus’s followers who lived when he did were Jewish as well. They were all guilty of what Jesus was crucified for, going against the established religion of the land (I wouldn’t call it apostasy though; that’s renouncing God and none of them were doing that). Christianity is/was based on the teachings of Christ; it builds upon Judaism.
That’s my understanding anyway. I am not religious. But, I don’t think “Christians are not Jews like Jesus was” is a bad thing.
What’s wild to me is that today’s Jews believe Jesus was this decent guy but not the son of God. Then you have Muslims who believe that maybe he was the son of God, maybe he was just a prophet, but they still follow his teachings, they just lean more into the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) (that’s how they say it, or they add “PBUH” which means the same). But guess who the Christians side with politically? I don’t get it. But I don’t think that (the political thing) has to do with who’s more closely aligned with Jesus, I think it’s who pays better.
But again, I’m not religious, so I don’t support or reject any of them. And of course my understanding of these religions is far less than actual practitioners of said religions.
Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the son of god but do believe he is the prophecied messiah, performed miracles and ascended into heaven
theoretically, Muslims and Jews should be closer. both believe in one god, rather than a trinity. both reject icons. both follow the dietary laws. both Jews and Arabs descend from Abraham.
maybe the closer you are the more you have to fight about 🤷♀️
You can’t be Muslim and think anything or anyone else is Divine in any way like Him, be it a son or an accompanying “god”. The Oneness of God is a core, undeniable part of Islam (any branch, any sect, etc., because it’s based on a singular book that’s accessible to all, the Qur’an, and that’s like THE main tenet of it). But yes, prophet Isa, big J, is of course a big part of the history of the religion! I don’t mean to be mean to Christians but listen, even in the Bible Jesus is shown praying (why would “God” pray?!), asking for intercession, and even denying being called ‘good’ because “only the Father is good” (because all of these hard categories belong only to God, He’s the superlative of all the good traits, our unreachable goal, since there’s “good and bad” in all of us, a bit of vice not just virtue). Jesus was a man who believed in God and asked Him for help and his prayer mentions it strongly!
But yeah, Jesus is/should be seen as big for every Muslim regardless of whether you know his message or not simply because, even if it didn’t take complete root and the message was shared to the world already changed and corrupted by the Romans, it did perhaps prepare the world, through Western colonization, for virtue and monotheism (if you believe you’ll meet the Creator and be judged for your decisions in life you kind of have a bigger motivation to act right! lol), and that’s a crazy way to get there but hey, the Lord works in mysterious ways. And then people can adopt Islam, which basically takes any man, saints, St. Peter and the keys, etc, all of that nonsense out of the equation entirely and tells you: "your life is and the universe are gifts from your Creator that you will never be able to repay (of course, who here can make a universe?!), enjoy them but walk the straight path, and you will meet Him again on the Day of Judgment and if you were even slightly decent (at the very least very repentant while you’re alive still), you get an even better second, eternal life (why not? He already made a universe once at least!).
That’s because, per Christian doctrine, Jesus created a new covenant with his sacrifice that fulfills and supersedes the old laws, and put a more spiritual mercy/love-driven interpretation on the previous rigid adherence aspects of Jewish laws and traditions before.
There was no year 0. It was 1 BCE then 1 CE. Just FYI.
Was it though? Like back then?
Back then it was technically the year 3000 something of recorded history. Christianity declared that that’s when time started.
Romans but yes Christian Romans after the religion took over the empire.
Back then they didn’t use Jesus’s birth (or at least, the date Dionysius Exiguus thought was Jesus’s birth) as the epoch for counting the years.
Western Christianity is basically Roman traditions rebranded. Jesus was just a paint coat over it to make it look cooler.
I don’t know too much abut religion, but I thought Jesus was supposed to have bashed up the temples due to them operating like banks. I think that’d be evidence of crticising some the prevailing religious organisation.
That would be pretty based if somebody did that today
Jesus was born Jewish but converted to Christianity in his teens
Nah he was actually Buddhist
Except the new testament the one about Jesus says something along the lines of nothing you put in your body can taint you. So why would Christians fallo a kosher diet.
More ironically western Christians HATE middle-easterners.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Jesus was a reformer of Judaism, and brought in a lot of unorthodox ideas. Plus, if the Gospel accounts are authentic, he was going around telling people he was the foretold Messiah and the Son of God, which isn’t typical Jewish teaching.
That’s because Jesus didn’t tell us to eat a kosher diet or observe Torah strictly. Christians do teach the Bible in churches, the successor to synagogues.
I’m not sure Jesus said anything about whether his followers need to keep kosher or observe the Torah. “I have come not to replace the Law, but to fulfill it” or something, right? I don’t think he weighed in on circumcision or pork. wasn’t that largely the early Christians deciding after his death?
Jesus said
Matthew 15:11
it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.
The circumcision thing did come about at the Council of Jerusalem 20 years later, but Jesus instituted baptism which replaced it, and it follows the spirit of what Jesus taught.
He also celebrated Passover. The Last Supper was a seder.
Christians see Jesus as kind of an honorary Christian, I suppose
