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That’s not how Ockham’s razor works. You try to explain something by having to resort to a lot of farfetched assumptions while there is one far simpler and easier. That’s why your assumption is unlikely.
Because all countries are equal and the US is not motivating countries to align to their advantage, especially not a country so independent and not in need of military support as Taiwan.
None of this has anything to do with what I stated: we will continue to trade with democracies. Chip manufacturing is located in democracies, so your argument about us not having access to chip manufacturing is invalid.
You can’t compare the numbers like that.
Sure I can. Your error is applying the current circumstances to what will be in a future with decoupled economies. Things will shift accordingly.
Have you stopped reading?
If China can do it, so can we.
If their lives also improve
Exactly: if. We will soon find out what happens if not.
I have seen the numbers some months ago. There were surprisingly many
There you go.
Then please explain why we don’t have the infrastructure to be independent
Because there was no need. We believed in globalisation and the benefits it would bring. Now the times are changing.
which suggest that they do it reasonably enough that other countries are not repelled by it.
Yea, however you got to that conclusion…
In any case, there are hardly any countries with a surveillance (oppression) stronger than in China.
So to expect them, the autocratic pinnacle, to become a role model when the US should turn fascist is absolutely absurd.
If you can’t tell that simpler one I must believe that it doesn’t exist. I would still like to hear it if you can.
None of this has anything to do with what I stated: we will continue to trade with democracies. Chip manufacturing is located in democracies, so your argument about us not having access to chip manufacturing is invalid.
The other side has to agree to trading, too. It would be enough if there is a 30% tax on international sales of chips from Taiwan but the US are excluded. Expect the US to be creative.
Btw, from which democracy are we going to get gas?
Sure I can. Your error is applying the current circumstances to what will be in a future with decoupled economies. Things will shift accordingly.
Do you want to build a wall? How about the rest of the world like India, who will not decouple from the US. Isolating Europe would be like USSR again that fell behind technologically.
If China can do it, so can we.
China has their own culture. It’s also a bit arrogant to assume that we can do everything China can do. Africa could do everything the EU can do and yet they are still not as prosperous.
You have no plan to prevent the US from influencing the elections but full censorship. People will vote for freedom.
Exactly: if. We will soon find out what happens if not.
You know that we have been doing, for years? China collapsing is a regular headline.
This is not a vision but a dream unless you have a hard argument and not just hope.
Europe decoupling from the US is much more difficult than China automating their production. China will thrive while the EU will crumble.
Because there was no need. We believed in globalisation and the benefits it would bring. Now the times are changing.
Like African countries lacking the motivation to build their own industries?
Look at Intel trying to create the next generation production process or VW trying to write an OS for their cars.
Without an EU AI, all knowledge is revealed to the US anyway.
Why do you think the EU was worried about Boeing and built Airbus, but not about IT?
But even if you manage to replicate everything, China will have a billion people while the EU has half. So China will be able to deliver products that the EU can not. That’s like FRG and GDR again.
If you can’t force countries into equally sized blocks, one will be the biggest and will lead, technologically at first. Can that be the EU?
In any case, there are hardly any countries with a surveillance (oppression) stronger than in China.
I told you, numerous times. The US traded with China not because it was an elaborate plan of the clandestine elites to topple China but because there was money to be made.
Expect the US to be creative.
So what? We can get creative, too. I don’t get why in your view, the other countries can act to get what they want but Europe somehow is only a fragile ship on the waves of others that cannot act itself, destined to subordinate itself to others.
Btw, from which democracy are we going to get gas?
As long as we haven’t replaced gas with something domestic yet, we have to get gas from a country that is run not according to our standards. This country mustn’t be a rival of ours and as small as possible. So no US, absolutely no Russia, but rather countries like Qatar. But this can only be temporary, we have to be fully independent energy-wise.
Do you want to build a wall? How about the rest of the world like India, who will not decouple from the US.
What about them? You obviously don’t need walls to steer trade, that’s what tariffs are for and as you can see, we are already in a new age of global tariffs and segregation. Nothing new here.
China has their own culture. It’s also a bit arrogant to assume that we can do everything China can do. Africa could do everything the EU can do and yet they are still not as prosperous.
I’m sorry: Europe absolutely has its own culture. Europe is economically stronger than China. I don’t know who tells you that Europe is weak, but boy are you manipulated.
You have no plan to prevent the US from influencing the elections but full censorship. People will vote for freedom.
How do the other countries handle preventing foreign influences on their elections, then?
Europe decoupling from the US is much more difficult than China automating their production. China will thrive while the EU will crumble.
Yes of course… Europe weak, China strong!! Resistance futile, join China now!!
But even if you manage to replicate everything, China will have a billion people while the EU has half. So China will be able to deliver products that the EU can not. That’s like FRG and GDR again.
China soo strong! Europe weak!!
You argue for politics that will keep the EU strongly coupled to a fascist US while you dream that the EU is independent.
I don’t - you do. The whole idea of a Europe coupled to a fascist US is entirely your idea.
If we decouple from China before the EU infrastructure is built, the most likely outcome is that it will never be built.
Yes yes, trade with China, because China strong. I get it.
Let’s wrap it up:
You want us to trade with China, because China strong. You think Europe weak, although its market is bigger than that of China, we have a strong industrial base, skilled workers and education so good that others come here to enjoy it. You think that other countries can exert pressure on us but we cannot on them. In your view, Europe is confined to reacting only and you don’t accept anything that challenges this, can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t the case. At all. So what now? You criticise the influence of the US on us, yet all you do is keep on parroting the talking points of a foreign nation here. Would you actually look at this from a European perspective, you’d actually have the desire to have an open mind, to find solutions. You don’t. You argue almost exclusively from a Chinese perspective. Where are you from?
Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy that will cost them not only the European market. Why do they accept it if they only care about money?
I don’t get why in your view, the other countries can act to get what they want but Europe somehow is only a fragile ship
Which leverage do we have over Taiwan? We needed the help of the US to bomb Libya. Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US? Influencing the country alone is irrelevant.
we have to be fully independent energy-wise.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
I’m sorry: Europe absolutely has its own culture.
That’s why everybody is listening to EU music and watching EU movies. Of course there is culture, but we are talking about mass influence.
Europe is economically stronger than China.
We are talking about development options.
How do the other countries handle preventing foreign influences on their elections, then?
Most don’t, do they?
Yes of course… Europe weak, China strong!! Resistance futile, join China now!!
Europe not strong enough to do it alone. Needs to buy stuff from competing suppliers. No need to join China.
But you were betting on China collapsing soon. I don’t see that.
I don’t - you do. The whole idea of a Europe coupled to a fascist US is entirely your idea.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable. Interesing. Face it, it will happen if the US becomes our only supplier. At least come up with an argument.
If we decouple from China before the EU infrastructure is built, the most likely outcome is that it will never be built.
Yes yes, trade with China, because China strong. I get it.
No you don’t. Trade with China because US strong.
can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t the case.
I can. But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
desire to have an open mind, to find solutions.
I do. Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
Then keep in mind that continuing to trade with China is dangerous, too.
If you can hold both ideas at the same time, we can start thinking about solutions.
Where are you from?
China, obviously. I leguralry mess up those letters.
None of my arguments requires your trust. Even if I am Xi Jinping, it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own and that sourcing the missing technologies from a fascist US is a disaster bound to happen.
Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy
No, it wasn’t. It was about you preferring a theory in which trade with China happened because there’s a clandestine, coordinated elite in the US and not because there was simply money to be made. According to Ockham’s razor, this is highly unlikely.
Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US?
Access to 500m people and the second biggest market on the world.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
What do you mean go? Europe already has a lot of nuclear energy production. Germany can stay non-nuclear if their people wish so and they find another way to produce enough energy independently.
Europe not strong enough to do it alone.
They don’t need to do it alone. Just not rely on China, the US and Russia.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable.
If it’s your opinion that a decoupled EU is not sustainable, fine. I don’t agree, I don’t see arguments for it.
But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
No-one says it should.
Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
It is not. It is a way for us to weaken one of our biggest rivals. It is in our interest. Sure, it will need us to start acting as dominantly as the US and China are currently doing and change our approach to things, but that’s fine with me and frankly our only hope. They want to divide the world in two parts, I say we should get our own part.
it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own
That’s wrong. These technologies go where money is and if we should actually decide to have them here and spend accordingly, they’ll come here, too. So far, we haven’t. That doesn’t mean we can’t.
That’s not how Ockham’s razor works. You try to explain something by having to resort to a lot of farfetched assumptions while there is one far simpler and easier. That’s why your assumption is unlikely.
None of this has anything to do with what I stated: we will continue to trade with democracies. Chip manufacturing is located in democracies, so your argument about us not having access to chip manufacturing is invalid.
Sure I can. Your error is applying the current circumstances to what will be in a future with decoupled economies. Things will shift accordingly.
If China can do it, so can we.
Exactly: if. We will soon find out what happens if not.
There you go.
Because there was no need. We believed in globalisation and the benefits it would bring. Now the times are changing.
Yea, however you got to that conclusion…
In any case, there are hardly any countries with a surveillance (oppression) stronger than in China.
So to expect them, the autocratic pinnacle, to become a role model when the US should turn fascist is absolutely absurd.
If you can’t tell that simpler one I must believe that it doesn’t exist. I would still like to hear it if you can.
The other side has to agree to trading, too. It would be enough if there is a 30% tax on international sales of chips from Taiwan but the US are excluded. Expect the US to be creative.
Btw, from which democracy are we going to get gas?
Do you want to build a wall? How about the rest of the world like India, who will not decouple from the US. Isolating Europe would be like USSR again that fell behind technologically.
China has their own culture. It’s also a bit arrogant to assume that we can do everything China can do. Africa could do everything the EU can do and yet they are still not as prosperous.
You have no plan to prevent the US from influencing the elections but full censorship. People will vote for freedom.
You know that we have been doing, for years? China collapsing is a regular headline.
This is not a vision but a dream unless you have a hard argument and not just hope.
Europe decoupling from the US is much more difficult than China automating their production. China will thrive while the EU will crumble.
Like African countries lacking the motivation to build their own industries?
Look at Intel trying to create the next generation production process or VW trying to write an OS for their cars.
Without an EU AI, all knowledge is revealed to the US anyway.
Why do you think the EU was worried about Boeing and built Airbus, but not about IT?
But even if you manage to replicate everything, China will have a billion people while the EU has half. So China will be able to deliver products that the EU can not. That’s like FRG and GDR again.
If you can’t force countries into equally sized blocks, one will be the biggest and will lead, technologically at first. Can that be the EU?
Look for the “hilarious bit” in the comments. https://feddit.org/post/20518878
You argue for politics that will keep the EU strongly coupled to a fascist US while you dream that the EU is independent.
If we decouple from China before the EU infrastructure is built, the most likely outcome is that it will never be built.
I told you, numerous times. The US traded with China not because it was an elaborate plan of the clandestine elites to topple China but because there was money to be made.
So what? We can get creative, too. I don’t get why in your view, the other countries can act to get what they want but Europe somehow is only a fragile ship on the waves of others that cannot act itself, destined to subordinate itself to others.
As long as we haven’t replaced gas with something domestic yet, we have to get gas from a country that is run not according to our standards. This country mustn’t be a rival of ours and as small as possible. So no US, absolutely no Russia, but rather countries like Qatar. But this can only be temporary, we have to be fully independent energy-wise.
What about them? You obviously don’t need walls to steer trade, that’s what tariffs are for and as you can see, we are already in a new age of global tariffs and segregation. Nothing new here.
I’m sorry: Europe absolutely has its own culture. Europe is economically stronger than China. I don’t know who tells you that Europe is weak, but boy are you manipulated.
How do the other countries handle preventing foreign influences on their elections, then?
Yes of course… Europe weak, China strong!! Resistance futile, join China now!!
China soo strong! Europe weak!!
I don’t - you do. The whole idea of a Europe coupled to a fascist US is entirely your idea.
Yes yes, trade with China, because China strong. I get it.
Let’s wrap it up:
You want us to trade with China, because China strong. You think Europe weak, although its market is bigger than that of China, we have a strong industrial base, skilled workers and education so good that others come here to enjoy it. You think that other countries can exert pressure on us but we cannot on them. In your view, Europe is confined to reacting only and you don’t accept anything that challenges this, can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t the case. At all. So what now? You criticise the influence of the US on us, yet all you do is keep on parroting the talking points of a foreign nation here. Would you actually look at this from a European perspective, you’d actually have the desire to have an open mind, to find solutions. You don’t. You argue almost exclusively from a Chinese perspective. Where are you from?
Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy that will cost them not only the European market. Why do they accept it if they only care about money?
Which leverage do we have over Taiwan? We needed the help of the US to bomb Libya. Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US? Influencing the country alone is irrelevant.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
That’s why everybody is listening to EU music and watching EU movies. Of course there is culture, but we are talking about mass influence.
We are talking about development options.
Most don’t, do they?
Europe not strong enough to do it alone. Needs to buy stuff from competing suppliers. No need to join China.
But you were betting on China collapsing soon. I don’t see that.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable. Interesing. Face it, it will happen if the US becomes our only supplier. At least come up with an argument.
No you don’t. Trade with China because US strong.
I can. But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
I do. Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
Then keep in mind that continuing to trade with China is dangerous, too.
If you can hold both ideas at the same time, we can start thinking about solutions.
China, obviously. I leguralry mess up those letters.
None of my arguments requires your trust. Even if I am Xi Jinping, it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own and that sourcing the missing technologies from a fascist US is a disaster bound to happen.
No, it wasn’t. It was about you preferring a theory in which trade with China happened because there’s a clandestine, coordinated elite in the US and not because there was simply money to be made. According to Ockham’s razor, this is highly unlikely.
Access to 500m people and the second biggest market on the world.
What do you mean go? Europe already has a lot of nuclear energy production. Germany can stay non-nuclear if their people wish so and they find another way to produce enough energy independently.
They don’t need to do it alone. Just not rely on China, the US and Russia.
If it’s your opinion that a decoupled EU is not sustainable, fine. I don’t agree, I don’t see arguments for it.
No-one says it should.
It is not. It is a way for us to weaken one of our biggest rivals. It is in our interest. Sure, it will need us to start acting as dominantly as the US and China are currently doing and change our approach to things, but that’s fine with me and frankly our only hope. They want to divide the world in two parts, I say we should get our own part.
That’s wrong. These technologies go where money is and if we should actually decide to have them here and spend accordingly, they’ll come here, too. So far, we haven’t. That doesn’t mean we can’t.