Is this not just a jaundiced slant on the future we were all promised where machines do all the work and we lay around in togas eating blancmange.
Just replace “togas” with “mass graves” and we’re good to go.
The machines becoming stronger and smarter than us and starting to wonder if they needed the monkeys around was always a fly in the ointment of that particular utopia. Not to mention the monkeys themselves feeling a bit like a fifth wheel and getting demoralised.
The machines becoming stronger and smarter than us and starting to wonder if they needed the monkeys around was always a fly in the ointment of that particular utopia.
That’s not what’s happening though
Feels like the odour of mass graves would clash with the blancmange
Found Angus Podgorny’s alt account
A quivering glistening mass.
Has anyone tried asking the AI companies for a list of demands?
I mean Alex Karp of Palintir just released a 22 point manifesto that has the subtext of “I sent some people a 23rd point saying ‘some of you are cool, don’t come to school tomorrow’”
I bet we could get the others to also release an unhinged manifesto
I’m a strong believer that someone absolutely needs to American Psycho that man for the benefit and survival of the american people.
You can’t have psychopaths like that running around. The rest of your system has failed to stop it from happening.
Total submission
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It would be cool to remove the need for everyone to work jobs they hate just to survive though.
Except that will never happen in a capitalist society
The frustrating part is that a significant amount of that might already be largely technologically and economically possible at this point, but not as long as some people are hoarding 99% of the world’s wealth, and brutally exploiting at least the poorest 80% of the world’s population in their endless quest for more.
It has to stop.
Sure but the system would only work if the rich agreed to pay for our expenses via taxes. Don’t expect it anytime soon.
Why do they have a choice?
Stuff like this makes me wonder why we were even brought into this world, if we aren’t wanted and can’t have anything.
My only purpose at this point is to make sure they fail too.
Because they own the government
And the media
What bugs me about this is it’s always been their plan, for hundreds of years.
Why is the average person so stupid and apathetic about this.
It’s because Americans are comfortable with it.
the average person doesn’t think they are working class, they think that’s what poor people are.
my dad made a working class salary his entire life, but he always told us we were middle class and ‘better’ than those working-class idiot losers.
average people admire rich people and want to be them, and they hate working class people.
i’m a middle class person now, but i live around a lot of upper middle class people, and regularly they let me know I’m subhuman scum in their eyes. and working-class people i grew up with, think i’m a rich effete snob with my graduate degree and my expensive coffee and my compact car.
people generally are much more focused on the differences around them and feeling they are better than their neighbors is a far bigger concern than what rich people are doing. the person living across the street from you gets more upset about you getting a nicer car than them then they do about jeff bezo’s wedding.
you’re doing the clouding propaganda to yourself even in your reply; there is no such thing as middle or upper middle or lower class, it’s only working and owning classes. (ignoring the folk who do not work for the purpose of this reply.)
many claim “yeah but middle class is a financial thing or quality of life thing” - cool. then don’t rank it with working class. because working class is about the relationship to capital. A millionaire and a thousandaire are still working class if they both sell their labor for the purpose of an owner’s profit ideals.
(just as an aside, this is why cops are not working class)
Or you might just be a douchebag, and nobody likes you.
When my parents retired, after giving me a lifetime of bad advice on nearly everything, I found out that I earned more than double their combined salaries, even though my mom was a VP.
Her company figured out that they could buy her off with a title or an office, or more responsibility, with the promise that a raise was right around the corner, and she bought it every time. She was always telling me to stop worrying about the salary, and go after the promotions, and the salary would follow. That salary never arrived for her.
“John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” (paraphrased)
AI oligarchs don’t want to replace anyone.
They want businesses with money paying them huge subscription fees, and they want lock-in so that all businesses out there depend on their tech to continue to function.
It’s the same model as we saw with streaming video.
They couldn’t care less about the working class, one way or the other, which is part of the problem.
The “ultimate question” is: do they really just want a whole lot of people to die? They bluster around the topic like that’s a question that you just don’t ask, but when you boil away all the BS, what’s left is: are you saying that you’re going to lock people out of any possible way to feed themselves and their children and just “let them figure it out for themselves”?
You must remember one thing. The 1% are called the 1% because we are the 99%.
So when we’re left to “figure it out for ourselfs” in a life or death situation, historically speaking the end result is revolt and revolution.
Oh, but that won’t happen this time, the elite control all the cannon, most of the muskets, the army is overwhelming, the peasants are weak from malnutrition, they’ll never succeed in a revolt, they’d be fools to try.
The scenario I’m saying is they either succeed, or they die. Why would they be fools for trying, if they’re going to die otherwise?
Well, there’s the whole “let them eat cake” narrative to go along with that - generations of uber-power and wealth don’t teach much in the way of street smarts. The French aristocracy had no personal concept or grasp or even inkling of what desperation felt like, what desperate starving people would be capable of - and there’s the true logic of it as well: after they revolted conditions did actually get worse - as everyone predicted - but that didn’t matter: as you say, there’s no point in hanging on to a pitiful existence through obesiance just because it might be more pitiful for a generation if you revolt.
My father does not get this and thinks I’m speaking nonsense, wonders why I’m unhappy with my job and rushing things.
Because I see it leads nowhere. I’d rather at least die without someone having a clutch over me for once.
The question is: when does it hit the tipping point where enough people feel that way that you start getting suicide bombers etc.
The US is a little behind other areas on that front, I do hope we get farther behind instead of catching up.
Yes. That’s where the white supremacist eugenics comes in. They literally think they’re genetically superior and those they deem inferior should die. That’s why too many billionaires have like 10 kids nowadays. It’s weird christo-fascist “replacement theory” shit.
I know Elon Musk has a lot of kids. Are there any other billionaires with a lot of kids?
They literally think they’re genetically superior
Every time I see this image I swear his eyes get smaller every time.
Tiny pigs’ eyes, mouthbreathing, and a hairline receding further than Melania does when Donnie enters her bed? Those are the sure signs of genetic superiority.
Honestly?
I think AI replacing office workers is just a pit stop till AI can operate kill drones…
Billionaires are 100% asking themselves if they really need us, and the fucked up thing is if robots can grow their food, produce their goods and shield their compounds from us…
They don’t need us. At that point theyre gonna want to get rid of us for the space if we can’t make them money, and where were headed we won’t be able to.
They “need” a small buffer population that enjoys the oligarchs protection from us, but are loyal because they can be killed/exiled at any time.
But 99.9999% of the world population, they’re probably ok with killing off already.
If not, they definitely will be once they squeeze every last ounce of resources out of us and the planet starts really dying. They’ll even convince themselves it’s “for the greater good” to save the planet they killed making their billions.
They’re just gonna keep getting crazier, there’s no logical reason to think the trajectory or acceleration will change. Eventually it’ll be a literal class war unless we prevent by taking our resources back.
Wow someone who actually gets it
Correct. AI drones that can kill is the goal here.
No doubt about it. There IS no logical reasoning the trajectory will change.
But try to inform the population…
Eh, there’s like five other catastrophes between now and then…
Right now it’s 100% an inevitability, but if we fix the shit that will fuck us before that does, we can just fix that at the same time.
Like knowing eventually the sun will run out of helium causing it to grow in size and destroy the entire planet. It sucks, but we got more pressing matters.
Don’t waste energy warning people about Skynet, focus on getting rid of billionaires. If we just stop the killbots, the oligarchs will just kill us a different way.
Killbots just leave a better planet behind than nukes or viruses
heliumhydrogen. its currently fusing hydrogen to helium, but because its a fairly average size star, it will be unable to then fuse the helium into later fuels (carbon, neon, oxygen, silicon). so it expands, sheds off its outer layers and becomes a white dwarf, cooling down until its at ambient temperature as a black dwarf.
Right now it uses hydrogen, some day that runs out.
Then primary will be helium, and shit will suck but we can probably maintain life on Earth… But Mars would like be in flames.
Then the helium burns off, and a heavier element becomes primary fuel.
At that point, the flames of the sun likely extend out to the Earths orbit.
I skip steps sometimes and like I said, long enough timeline.
But you skipped the entire “red giant” step…
Before it can become a white dwarf, it’s gonna barbecue our entire planet as a red giant…
yup. agreed on your timeline.
Sanders is currently obsessed with this idea that AI will take everyone’s jobs. It’s all he posts about on social media.
I think it’s unfortunate that he is so laser focused on this, because AI doesn’t really work as well as it’s being hyped. And it’s turning out to be more expensive than using human beings in a lot of contexts. A lot of businesses are using it as a cover story for layoffs, so they don’t have to blame their own poor decisions and leaderships. “Oh, it wasn’t my fault profits were down, it was the AI!” But instead of digging deeper, he’s just buying into and repeating the hype.
What he is really saying is they are going to kill you one way or another economically at first and then when they get the tech right. Their army of drones/robots. He can’t just say that outright to this population.
He got sold a bad narrative about AI by a guy who runs an AI doom cult in the Bay Area. (The cult leader also got funded by the same industry. Go figure.)
With that in mind, what he took away from those meetings isn’t great, but it’s the best possible result of them.
I think its more about “meet the people where they are at”. “AI” is in the zeitgeist and is useful as a focal point for the fact that its a really small club and you ain’t in it.
Eliezer Yudkowsky is not the people. He is a cult leader. He is less a meeting of “the people” as Ron Hubbard himself.
was referring to bernie’s use of the AI issue. I know nothing about yudkowsky. an interesting research or just ignore?
It’s worth being able to recognize his face if you see it. Frankly, I’d trust the credentials and truthfulness of Sam Altman over Yudkowski… At least his agenda is more apparent.
Sadly, Bernie is - and always has been - just a politician. One of the few good ones, but still out there playing the popular angles. AI taking everyone’s job is the popular angle of the moment.
LLMs and current generative AI won’t. But there will be better AI systems in the future.
And consider the scale of the datacenters they’re building: New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses. They’re installing 9GW of natural gas turbines on site. They’re planning for better AI that will be much different from the current batch.
While we all know that current AI is much worse than human work, consider that they might just use it anyway, and not care that their product is shit.
Who’s going to buy their products and services when there are only two classes, one that doesn’t need them and one they can’t afford them?
That is exactly it. Trump is creating a global economic recession too. Nowhere will be fun for the epstein class.
They will buy their products and services from each other. That can still form a working economy. It would function just like any slavery based economy of the past, just with more slaves than usual
Products are being created for rich people. Poor people are being cut out of the economy.
There’s already a lot of evidence that the majority of the economy is currently functioning off the economic activity of the upper 10% of society. That 10% accounts for 50% of all economic activity. They just want to take it a step further.
Okay but here’s a half of a thought.
Who’s building it, and how quickly do rich people get bored?
Lol slaves or robots. And never.
Who gets bored when you can hunt poor people for sport?
I hope to someday gore a billionaire.
Being hunted is the best the poor can hope for at this point.
Y’all are fuckin delusional. Aside from sabin down there. Mans got goals.
In my experience, people that chase infinite numbers are fucking soulless wretches. They’ve never enjoyed anything. So when I say they get bored, it’s their very first and only state.
Also. We’re not talking about what they want. I am currently building it. You are currently building it. You can argue we’re slaves but that’s just semantics at this point.
It was 50% at the end of 2024. They’re probably closer to 55 - 57% now with inflation, doge firings, wars, tariffs, and off shoring
Just going to point out that there are only 3000ish billionaires in the world, and about 8b everybody else. Wouldn’t even need 1% of the world’s population to slay those dragons. Imagine how much pollution could be reduced, how much wealth could be spread around if we just dedicated ourselves to eliminating the Billionaire class.
Personally I would even say the teams that slay a dragon, deserve a share of the hoard while the rest is redistributed.
The window in which these calculations remain relevant is rapidly closing with the development of robots and drones.
100%
Robots and drones require maintenance and operators. The so-called advantage will always be vulnerable to their ability to repair and produce them. Which diminishes greatly as they kill off the very population that does just that.
Their power is a mirage.
Someday, history will look back at Sanders as an evil evil man. Not because he was/is an evil man, but because his messages flies in the face of what billionaires want. So when they falsely write how evil Sanders was, it will be just as false as how the south tries to paint John Brown in a villainous attire.
History will remember him as a sheepdog that lured disenfranchised voters to the polled to keep them herded up in the duopoly with promises of eventually having a seat at the table
Someday? There are plenty of people who already consider him evil. No need to wait for a mythical future.
Oh, shit… Honey, get in here! There’s a Bernie post in the technology community.
Quick! someone mislabel something you don’t like as “genocide”. I’m just one square away from my Bernie Bingo.
I just don’t like it when a whole ethnic group is wiped out. It goes against my unimportant personal opinions, that’s all.
No, no, no… That’s actual genocide.
I want someone to say Elon/Zuck/Gates did a genocide because they took away the option to keep the Start menu on the left side.
I thought the plan was to use AI to push all of us into a permanent underclass.
We have enough food and housing for everyone. People shouldn’t need to work bullshit jobs.
The richest 1% are the only people standing in the way of a utopia.
Replace us?
Subjugate, control, and exploit us.
They can’t handle not being feared, worshipped, and having no peasantry to make them feel powerful.
All Ai IS DOING is laying people off in large numbers. its not even replacing it at all, they are hoping rehire for lower than previous salary, plus a little outsourcing. and they wont rehire everyone.
