Clearest measure here wouldn’t be the “biological sex” anyway… Because going mens bathroom doesn’t require a penis, last time I checked. But it does require to be perceived as a men which relates more to other characteristics like beard and appearance. Same goes the other way around.
A) No it doesn’t. Where I live, it is entirely legal for a man to enter the women’s bathroom. Nothing to do with transgender folks; it simply is not a crime.
B) The UK has an official “gender recognition certificate” program. If you wanted to draw a line, I would think that individuals with such a certificate would fall on their recognized side of the line; however, under the new standard, a trans women with an official government issued gender recognition certificate is still considered by that same government to be a man for the purposes of using a toilet.
That’s not a book, that’s a peer-reviewed paper published by a PhD Evolutionary Biologist in a journal specific to the topic. Nobody in the field has published a response disputing it, because he’s right.
If you don’t like being told the truth by him, take your pick of anyone else listed here that signed a statement affirming the same thing:
Reality isn’t transphobic, but that guy definitely is.
Also I’m not discussing sex in humans with you again. I and many people, who’re are way more knowledgeable, have wasted hours of their life doing that. Much less under a post about a stupid bathroom law.
PS: I’m sooo sorry that I said that the piece of written work you linked to was a book.
I’m not sorry that I pointed out that that guy is a transphobe, but I am sorry that I engaged with you again.
I’m going to block you now. Originally I wanted to discuss Imane Khelif, when new concrete information was available, but now I am going to block you for my own sake. @davidagain@lemmy.world can discuss with you until both of your keyboards break.
Hehe. Powerstruggle is one of the most persistent transphobic conversation derailers on lemmy. They show up in any post related to trans people to discuss their pet transphobic theories, often one which Trump gave. Imagine being intellectuality dominated by Donald Trump!
I completely understand you blocking them. If I were the mod of a news sub where they repeatedly behaved the way they do, I would wield the ban hammer hard.
The historical and scientific record is clear: from the 19th century to the present day, biologists, medical professionals, philosophers of science, and evolutionary theorists have used gamete type as the defining criterion for sex. This document compiles citations from that record, providing a reference point for students, scientists, educators, and anyone interested in understanding what “male” and “female” mean in biological terms.
These citations span more than a century of scientific literature, showing that the gamete-based definition of sex is not a recent invention or a reactionary response, but a longstanding, fundamental biological principle. While sex roles and secondary sex characteristics can vary, the definition of the sexes does not: male and female are reproductive categories rooted in the type of gamete an individual has the function to produce.
It doesn’t matter what you think of him personally. He’s still an expert in his field, correctly pointing out the scientific consensus. Again, if you don’t like him, take your pick of other experts that signed the Project Nettie statement that affirms the same truth with the credentials of your choice.
No it’s not. It’s a whole bunch of loosely correlated characteristics, many of which can be changed.
The thread of this conversation is exactly why a line has to be drawn and written in law using the clearest measure there is.
Clearest measure here wouldn’t be the “biological sex” anyway… Because going mens bathroom doesn’t require a penis, last time I checked. But it does require to be perceived as a men which relates more to other characteristics like beard and appearance. Same goes the other way around.
And how do you define something as subjective as that in law? Absolutely absurd.
It was working just fine before this law no?
A) No it doesn’t. Where I live, it is entirely legal for a man to enter the women’s bathroom. Nothing to do with transgender folks; it simply is not a crime. B) The UK has an official “gender recognition certificate” program. If you wanted to draw a line, I would think that individuals with such a certificate would fall on their recognized side of the line; however, under the new standard, a trans women with an official government issued gender recognition certificate is still considered by that same government to be a man for the purposes of using a toilet.
Oooor just let trans folk use the damn bathroom? There doesn’t need to have a line drawn
There always needs to be a line drawn in law.
Agreed, the line is use the bathroom and don’t shit on the floor
That’s completely untrue.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-025-03348-3
As you can see from this article, Colin Wright is an absolute transphobe and should not be used as any sort of supporting source:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/in_focus/3899369/colin-wright-activists-redefining-gender-to-save-collapsing-narrative/
Colin M. Wright, the author of the book you linked, is an “anti-transgender activist”. Here is a nice collection of his bigotry.
🤦🤦🤦
That’s not a book, that’s a peer-reviewed paper published by a PhD Evolutionary Biologist in a journal specific to the topic. Nobody in the field has published a response disputing it, because he’s right.
If you don’t like being told the truth by him, take your pick of anyone else listed here that signed a statement affirming the same thing:
https://projectnettie.wordpress.com/
Fuck’s sake. Reality isn’t transphobic. Do better.
Reality isn’t transphobic, but that guy definitely is.
Also I’m not discussing sex in humans with you again. I and many people, who’re are way more knowledgeable, have wasted hours of their life doing that. Much less under a post about a stupid bathroom law.
PS: I’m sooo sorry that I said that the piece of written work you linked to was a book.
You’ve wasted hours of your life being wrong. Please do better
I’m not sorry that I pointed out that that guy is a transphobe, but I am sorry that I engaged with you again.
I’m going to block you now. Originally I wanted to discuss Imane Khelif, when new concrete information was available, but now I am going to block you for my own sake. @davidagain@lemmy.world can discuss with you until both of your keyboards break.
Hehe. Powerstruggle is one of the most persistent transphobic conversation derailers on lemmy. They show up in any post related to trans people to discuss their pet transphobic theories, often one which Trump gave. Imagine being intellectuality dominated by Donald Trump!
I completely understand you blocking them. If I were the mod of a news sub where they repeatedly behaved the way they do, I would wield the ban hammer hard.
Also spamming the same comments word for word all over the thread.
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2025/04/03/colin-wright-gives-a-history-of-the-gametic-definition-of-biological-sex/
Stop lying
It doesn’t matter what you think of him personally. He’s still an expert in his field, correctly pointing out the scientific consensus. Again, if you don’t like him, take your pick of other experts that signed the Project Nettie statement that affirms the same truth with the credentials of your choice.