There was (and still somewhat is) a big uproar about auto tune usage in music. But guess what? You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998. Unless youre friends with every sound engineer out there and can ask them specifically if an artist did or did not use it (unrealistic).
The same will happen with ai. People wont notice, and it will go on to be the norm, with a very small pocket of purists.
ITT: People are really butthurt that their favorite artist uses autotune/pitch correction, and they have no idea how mixing and production work. These will be the same people listening to ai music in 5 years with no knowledge of it. So my prediction is correct.
I already commented yesterday. Now I read your replies. I must say, you really do not have the whole picture here and you should stop arguing this theory right now. Esp. this part:
You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998.
Maybe try bandcamp.com to listen to the rest of the world (and realize how big it is).
I love bandcamp, use it daily!
Yeah people arent really understanding how prolific autotune/pitch correction is. They think their niche bands arent using it. Well sorry to say, they are. You just have no idea. I work with producers and engineers and have done it myself, and ive seen how its used.
Was just showing how the same comparison will be used with ai tools in a few years, and people will be having this exact same argument over the fact that “hey, its fine that band actually used ai for all their drums because their drummer is bad!” There truly is nothing new under the sun :)
You have changed your tune from
You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998.
to something much weaker.
I stand by my original statement: That’s bullshit.
big difference between someone using a tool to polish an already complete piece of music and someone using a tool to make a piece of music for them
I can see that. I still would be a little cautious of any artist using “ai tools” to fix their mixes.
It soon balloons into “we’ll, the ai can do better guitar parts so have it do it all” and no one knows the difference.
People are completely used to autotune in music now
I’m not.
So youre absolutely sure the artists you listen to arent using any form of pitch correction?
Are they all recording directly to 24 track 2" tape and then cut to vinyl directly as well? Because thats the only way you can be certain (thats negating an outboard vocal tuner, which could be in the signal chain).
The point here is, you have no idea. Just like many will have no idea they are listening to machine generated music and it wont be given a second thought. Its just kind of gross to me.
I guess I can never be 100% sure, but why would my favorite punk band who can’t even tune a guitar (or maybe they’re doing that on purpose) use autotune? To untune their singing?
And it’s not just Punk, there are many ways of singing that defeat the purpose of autotune.
And your weird gatekeeping with analog tape and vinyl has nothing to do with anything here.
Its used in punk bands as well. i can assure you. Even if its home-recorded.
Wasn’t gatekeeping at all. Merely stating that that is the only way you truly know the music is completely authentic (if you care about that, most dont).
No band I listen to uses autotune lmao
Yeah, TIL I am not people.
You are the embodiment of a person in 20 years saying no band they listen to uses ai. But you have no idea, and neither would future person. Unless you’ve been there for every recording and mixing session for these bands ?
No one is seeming to get my point. Autotune/melodyne/pitch correction (semantics) is SO transparent now, you really dont know unless you engineered the track. Ai usage is/will be the same, untraceable.
Yeah I’m 100% certain Whitechapel and Unearth dont use autotune lmao. Wtf are you on? Not everyone listens to just radio pop music all day long.
Ok sure, bands with no clean vocals likely wouldnt need it, obviously. there would be no need.
There’s still likely a ton of editing in their songs, but thats not really what im talking about.
You still need to actually be a decent singer to not make autotuning sound terrible. Also, big singers will have audio editors to clean up issues too. Partial use of generative AI will require the presence of basic skills to make everything work.
I don’t think the same can happen with fully AI generated music. Unless it is stated immediately that they are doing it, people are eventually gonna find out that the artist is not actually singing and find it a scam. If they don’t show themself in social media, tours, and interviews to hide this element as much as possible they are most likely going to remain niche.
No matter how good your singing is. Autotune makes your music completely trash
Right, thats what im saying. Its already edited to death now, so the change to ai music won’t even be large, because everything is already quantized and pitch matched.
Its just a depressing dystopian future that the majority of humans will be listening to and enjoying music made by billionaires with data centers.
ai music, compared to autotune, is completely soulless.
I cant put my finger on it or articulate why I feel this way, but hearing an ai song feels absolutely disgusting…
I think a lot of people say that because they already know its an ai sound generation (really, its not music). But if they didnt know it and a friend showed a song to them, I doubt most people would notice. Audio is the easiest thing to emulate, takes very little power.
thats true, I should do an ai music blind test
In the end though, I care about the artist so even if somehow I did like an ai song (ew) I wouldn’t listen to it if i knew it was fake.
You’re probably thinking of pitch correction, not auto-tune.
In many ways they are similar. Im not referring to auto tune being used in a creative sense. But auto tune (antares) was used to fix vocals often, now its melodyne etc.
I am not used to autotune
Can’t speak to other ways AI is used, but I consume most written media using text to speech and have done so my entire life. I’ve seen speech synthesis evolve from the mid 90s to now and I know what came before then. I know when a voice is not natural. Even AI voices that seem perfect at first will have little tells if you listen long enough, like missing or misplaced emphasis, odd pauses, and confusing the pronunciations of identically spelled words.
This may not be true forever but for now at least it’s obvious to me.
When it comes to music, all I care is whether it sounds good or not. Same applies to AI generated content: if it’s better than human made content then I want that.
I can see this from that standpoint but I could never do that myself.
Kind of like if I liked an artist and it was proved they were a serial rapist. It would be very hard for me to listen to them again.
