I think this is "stupid money’, again.
I hope this makes companies stop being “AI native”
Nice. Maybe now my company stops trying to shove it down our throats.
what? free trial over? 📯 ai spam free-for–all has sucked so far
Just trying to squeeze it out before the pop.
anthropic started charging a higher token droven method for api access. copilot use the api to talk to claude.
at build theybwere lushing local models with nvidias new chip and that chip is objectively amazing.
I guess they are starting to feel the strain of hemorrhaging billions of dollars for data centers.
They’re figuring if AI is not deeply embeded and people totally addicted to using it by now it’s not ever going to happen, so it’s time to let the trap shut and see what they caught.
And yet stock prices SOAR!
My Microsoft stock has not soared. :(
Ha ha! Thats what you get for supporting them financially.
I didn’t? I worked for them and the stock was part of my pay package.
I don’t mean any malice by this, as I understand what a pay package is, but you really should’ve started selling when “microslop” took off as a nickname.
and if they don’t allow you to sell, you should’ve known you were being lined up as a patsy for the c-suits.
I should have sold in October when it was trading at $520. But hey, at least I didn’t sell in March-April when it was at $380.
The thing is, if you sell ~$100k in stocks (that you “bought” for way less than that), that’s a huuuuuge tax bill for the year, so I try not to sell in enormous chunks like that.
That’s worse.
The market is insane. The valuations for stocks connected in any way to “AI” have no connection to reality whatsoever.
It never has had any connection to reality. It’s always been at the whims of ignorant rich fucks that own most of the stock.
You just described the entire stock market since the dawn of currency.
AI is just the newest buzzword.
and neglecting most of its other services. big mistake was having OPENAI attached at the hip with MS.
MS acts like the bubble already popped.
Maybe it did for them!
GitHubMicrosoft just switched Copilot to metered billing, and developers are watching months of credits vanish in a single dayyes but continue to use the github brand because we need to remind folks that github blows
Not sure if you don’t realize this but those are the same company.
They switched from heavily subsidizing it, to subsidizing it less. That’s going to happen with the other providers, too.
Yeah, what’s the surprise here? Turns out it’s expensive.
The surprise is that they’re not continuing to throw VC money at it to bolster user numbers and mislead investors.
Microsoft was deceptive here and never made it clear exactly what sort of deal you were getting with the flat rate. There was no indication of the actual magnitude.
It was very much a red flag when they shut down signups.
You’d have to be truly ignorant to not know that it was going to happen (not saying that you are). It’ll be interesting to see if there any legal recourse, but I’m guessing not.
All of these companies are hemmoraging money to train and provide LLMs. The only option is to charge more. This current increase, IMO, is an alpha test for future increases. Unless there is a major jump in the technology, moreso the logic to train LLMs more efficiently, the cost has to keep going up to stay solvent for most of these major players.
I’m not talking about ignorance here, just one of the facts about how Microsoft was being shitty.
Are you defending Microsoft’s choice to be shitty? Or just excited to share how you knew better?
Microsoft announced these price increases back in April, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody.
Absolutely not defending Microsoft. I’m just saying that it was obvious even a couple of years ago that this current pricing model isn’t feasible. It was always part of the plan to jack up prices, because that’s how every subscription service operates. In the case of AI, the expenses are astronomical and the pricing has never been close to something resembling profit.
It was easy to know how much the slop machine costs to run if you bothered to put even a tiny effort into finding out.
Yeah especially because they now have some convoluted method involving different counts of processing, cache etc. But the developer has no easy way of seeing those statistics and thus has no feel for them. And developers already have little control over how much tokens a task takes. Which was fine with the flat rate, just use the service. But now that those things actually matter, the stats should be way easier to see?
So in typical Microsoft fashion not only did they raise prices they somehow made it even more shit. Like the AI already sucked, but does the service itself need to suck as well?
Not being able to control and very vague productivity improvement claims makes the ROI impossible to calculate. So even if the AI wasn’t shit, it would still be hard to figure out if it’s even helping at all.
different counts of processing, cache etc
Don’t all the providers do this, though? Anthropic/Claude has different pricing based on if you’re caching for five mins vs one hour (which are the only two options for cache TTL). https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
Well, the point here is the deception. So, if you can find a similar link from the past from Microsoft…
Copilot was uniquely awful at this, because up to until literally days before the switch to usage based billing there was no way for people to track token usage, despite repeated calls from the community.
Microsoft only added a billing “projection” feature on the admin page that was meant to download a spreadsheet (which straight up didn’t work for most people) less than a week before the new billing structure.
Ahh, that’s not great. I’ve only ever used it for free since I get the $10/month plan for free as an open-source maintainer (https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/copilot-on-github/set-up-copilot/enable-copilot/set-up-for-teachers-and-os-maintainers) so I’ve never had to deal with the billing side.
The amount of value they used to provide with the $10 plan felt too good to be true.
Watching github news from my codeberg safe place 😎🍿🍺
Good.
The faster slop code stops, the more reliable our software will get.
You looked like Donald Glover just then.
Man, enshittification is happening so fast for ai. Imagine the next big thing. It’ll be enshittified prior to release.
As a mod for the Enshitification you hate to see Enshitification in any form.
As a mod of Fuck_AI, I’ll make an exception in this one case.
COMMENCE THE ENSHITIFICATION!!!
Which completely goes against my Enshitification mod mindset, but here we are.
So…nobody told me life was going to be this way…
clap-clap-clap-clap
This isn’t enshittification in the traditional sense, they haven’t captured the market enough for that. They’re just panicking because they’re burning cash way too fast.
“They’re burning cash too fast”
Their most recent earnings was 82.9B just last quarter, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Ah yes. Of course, all of Microsoft just exists to subsidize GitHub AI tool usage.
They’re putting copilot in everything, it’s not just github that has copilot lmfao
That word is only used correctly about 5% of the times it is used.
Are suggesting the word itself has become enshittified?
Quick, we need a word for enshittified enshittification!
Interestingly enough, not the correct use for that word lol
😏
Don’t wanna be “that guy”, but if if 95% of the time people use it to generally mean “greedy companies making things shitty to try and wring an extra buck”, then that just is what that word means now.
It leaves a vacuum for the concept it was originally intended to describe, but that’s how she goes.
It’s ironic, but I could care less. You’re literally beating a dead horse.
I guess so. But the original definition was useful and encapsulated a specific thing. And the everyone discarding that definition is a bummer. But it’s not like there is anything to be done about it. And Doctoro has said he’s not too annoyed by it himself.
I wholeheartedly agree. I love when I hear a new word, and a mushy concept just snaps into focus. Like, yea, I understood that concept in my “gut” but had not special word for it? So gratifying.
Feels like theft when it gets appropriated to something else.
Glad to hear Cory is cool w/ it. Putting a word (even by accident) to a poorly-expresable part of the human experience that let’s people communicate more effectively? That is a contribution to society that most of us only dream of. Fucker did it by accident. Thrilled for him.
I don’t think saying AI is being enshittified is too far from the orignal essay
This is enshittification: surpluses are first directed to users; then, once they’re locked in, surpluses go to suppliers; then once they’re locked in, the surplus is handed to shareholders and the platform becomes a useless pile of shit. From mobile app stores to Steam, from Facebook to Twitter, this is the enshittification lifecycle.
The AI companies were definitely subsidizing usage of the tech in the hopes of getting people locked in. Don’t think people are all that locked in. Probably some people are, suppliers like NVIDIA seem pretty locked in. But I don’t think there’s all that much to direct to shareholders relative to what they put into it to try to get lock in.
So it’s kinda failed enshittification? Premature enshittification… preshittification?
It’ll be a macguffin that makes your life a little more convenient in some ways, but it’ll cost the equivalent of a 1996 Honda Civic to use monthly and you have to smash your hand with a hammer to turn it on
They forgot the first step where you make a great product that everyone’s clamoring to use.
They did, if by “everyone” you mean rich detached executives that constantly make decisions they have not the intelligence to understand.
Enshittification strategies only work if the product actually produces revenue and it grows along with market share. Unfortunately, even if market use grows, revenue from AI is not there. Even YouTube crossed the break even boundary before the start of ad enshittification and after the Google buyout. LLMs financial projections are starting to show that it will never reach enough revenue to cover costs, much less cover ROI into infrastructure and capacity. The math isn’t mathing and investors are starting to get cold feet. So they either enshittify now or the capital soon will start vanishing.
This is the same business model that tech “startups” use, just at a vastly accelerated time table. Upend some existing market (in this case, several markets) by burning through cash at an unsustainable rate. Once your customers have been hooked, and/or the alternatives eliminated as competitors, you crank up the prices to try and make the business cashflow positive.
„Enshittified“ implies it was ever not shit.
Meta kind of did that with their VR stuff. They skipped the appealing to users part and build a bland, brand-safe, microtransaction-laden experience to sell to businesses assuming they could just use their size to force users to buy it.
I think that’s because Meta acquiring Oculus was the enshitfication.
Basically what happened with Claude Opus 4.8
Just wait until OpenAI and Anthropic get their IPO and the front slowly falls off. A recession will happen shortly thereafter.
That’s why they build the data centers outside of the environment.
Lol, sucks to suck.
Weird, I’m not having this problem.
Same
Is it because you don’t rely on The Bullshit Machine?
It’s more that my daily life tasks have no use for AI agents or llms. I have dabbled with running local llms and agents, but idk yet, just haven’t gotten enough out of it that it seems worth it.
So many of my colleagues and friends have told me about their experiences, and I have listened, and I have not modified anything about my workflow, and I feel no desire to taste.
I’m not sure why anyone is surprised. The new pricing is closer to what it actually costs to provide the service.
They can’t keep subsidizing AI forever. The same thing is going to happen to other providers too.
I think a lot of people thought that they were going to pay a flat monthly fee forever. This is just the beginning.
I’ve been warning anyone who will listen that the metered token-based rates are the future for this industry. I’ve had coworkers dismiss my warnings, and now here we are. It’s gonna be a shit show once anthropic eventually switches over to token-based billing for services like Claude Code.
There might continue to be flat monthly fees with some providers, but I can imagine the prices growing to at least 10x the current prices. At the moment, a $200/month plan with Anthropic or OpenAI lets you use thousands of dollars worth of tokens per month (and even that price might currently be subsidized) which isn’t sustainable.
Maybe that guy in the black leather jacket can pay for everybody’s credits. Y’know, extend and embrace the grift.
Now suddenly everyone will care how horrible it is when you have to pay for said garage.
Garbage
Cybertruck parking only
