You want to know what’s wrong with America? We’re pussies now.
That traitor – and he surely is a fucking treason-weasel – should not have been able to safely walk out of that meeting after telling the community that they didn’t have the god-given right to address their elected officials.
Pussy isn’t an insult, you scrotum!
Scrotum isn’t an insult, you taint!
Taint is a tainted word. Please refrain from using it.
That you are.
This guy is gonna get himself shot by angry residents. I’ve never been to a county meeting before in my life, but I can’t imagine just telling people to fuck off when they come to voice their opposition to issues in their town/city.
This shit has been going on for decades.
As long as there has been local government.
I’m sure there would be videos of civil rights activists and anti-Nazi Party activists being dragged of their their respective town halls if cellphones existed back then.
Aw, shooting him is too easy. There’s lots more to do before that.
Does he own a business on main street? Be a shame if his big plate glass window got broke. Then got broke again. And again…
His tires keep getting leaks, because nails keep showing up in his driveway. His car keeps getting keyed. Somebody turned the hose on at his house, and it ran for three days, flooding his backyard, and running his bill up a couple of hundred dollars. Somebody poured gasoline on his lawn spelling “FLOCK?” Rumors have been spreading about extramarital affairs, his AND his wife’s. Online reviews for his business have cratered.
Maybe he’ll feel like talking at the next county meeting.
If not, maybe things start to burn.
I can imagine other politicians shaking in fear and rethinking their despotic policies because their counterpart met a miserable end of somebody keying their car. Well, I say “somebody”, but they exactly know who, because of the flock cameras. But even if they catch this one, there will be MILLIONS behind them, with their keys ready to make their foes suffer through mild to severe annoyance.
I guess they will retailate with something DUMB and ineffective like killing us all in the concentration camps. Amateurs.
The problem is that he could then use all of this to justify more surveillance, not less. Especially if any of the attackers get caught because of a Flock camera. It will just cause a feedback loop where a camera helped arrest someone, so we obviously need more cameras, which causes more anger, which causes more attacks, which causes more cameras… You get the idea.
I’m not saying that more cameras are the correct reaction, but I am saying that is likely how someone who is in Flock’s pocket would think about the situation. Especially when a Flock sales rep is whispering “this crime could have been solved if there was a camera on that street corner” into their ear like a little shoulder-devil.
I like you
The idea is that flock cameras eliminate these threats. They don’t. But that’s the idea.
ironically all of these things would be used as justification for more surveillance
It’s more reasonable than the headline makes it sound. The commissioner pointed out that he’s not in charge of the decision to use Flock cameras and told the group of people who wanted to express their opposition to him anyway to pick one representative who would do so.
I’ve been to meetings where people repeatedly express the same negative opinion of a policy to someone with no control over that policy and I guess that’s what the commissioner wanted to avoid.
The commissioner pointed out that he’s not in charge of the decision to use Flock cameras
But he had to approve the capital expenditure to purchase them. Thats how almost all local government budgets work- normal operations are appropriated in a full budget and individual capex outside of that budget is approved project by project.
No, it’s public forum and you get to say what you want regardless. You, as a citizen, shall not be silenced, no matter the topic.
lol, muh freeze peach, US of A number one!!
I wish a mod would delete this, just for the irony. I get why they wouldn’t, given you’re allowed to have frozen peaches or whatever
Ok so when a dozen people all go to say the same thing, when do the other people get to speak? Time is finite.
If a dozen people want to talk about different things, when do the other people get to speak? The subject matter makes zero fucking difference. They get the same time regardless.
If your policy leads to endless comments against it, maybe you fucked up already. Or just deal with it, and listen to a few hours of comments… And remember, the average person has little power, the council can and does ignore them all the time, but one thing a person can do is voice their opinion… How dare you try to take that away.
So why is one group allowed to take it away from others?
Ok so when a dozen people all go to say the same thing, when do the other people get to speak? 36 minutes later. They get 3 minutes each. These elected officials can spend a half fucking hour listening to their citizens.
Then they need to fix the issue that a lot of people are complaining about so they can get to the other matters
So people are allowed to monopolize the meeting and shut out all other concerns?
you shall not be silenced
see above
Damn, clickbait headline wins [the attention] yet again…
They want them to pass an ordinance blocking their use. They didn’t approve it, but they have the authority to stop it
It seems like there’s a problem there. They want an elected body to pass an ordinance against something another independent elected body is already under contract to do.
In my simple brain, so be it. Why not do that?
In my rational brain, having sat through at least 100 council and commission meetings, it’s not that simple and certainly could open the county to legal issues in at least three ways (flock sues county for breach of contract; sheriff sues council for overreach; pro-flock community members sue county for whatever they can think of).
To me, this is a time for the people to play politics. Schedule meetings with these council members individually. Invite them to anti-flock parties. Convince them to be on your anti flock side. If you get one, that one can work on the others from the inside.
By the way, we already have legislation against flock – it’s called the Fourth Amendment.
I’ve also been to a county meeting like that. The topic at hand was expanding a greenway, but one Karen took up most of the meeting complaining about (what I have to assume is her imagination) people smuggling hookers into the city by canoe.
That can’t be an efficient way to smuggle.
oh please find us the minutes of this meeting….
But he works for the people. It’s not his call to tell the people what they want to talk about. It’s his fucking job to sit there and listen, AND THEN SEE WHAT ELSE HE CAN DO TO HELP.
Because in this moment, the listening IS the help. People need to be heard and it’s his job to listen.
he’s not in charge of the decision to use Flock cameras
but that council or whatever it was, do make the rules (local laws, ordinances) for that jurisdiction. they could do something if they wanted to. a simple ordinance prohibiting their use within their boundaries. but they do not, and they had already made up their minds–public input be damned.
Meh. Not a single thing should get done there until those cameras are gone. He certainly knows who is in charge of those cameras so he can listen again for the 121th time and so he can relay the message for 121th time. I mean what else can you do if the camera dipshit isn’t attending these meetings?
“We will be heard peacefully or we will be heard otherwise.”
I understand the subtext of this and why, and it isn’t meant to be taken literally, but there’s no way that’s true. 2 lbs of copper?? Is that including solar panels?
It’s not true; it’s trying to get the meth heads to rip them down.
“You will not speak on Flock tonight,” he responds. “One person designated. You can pick that person … if I gave everyone three minutes to say the same thing, which is opposition to Flock, we’d never get done … I’ve spoken. I’m not debating this.”
Only politicians can be that arrogant. imagine forgetting how the fuck you got into that seat in the first place. Ironically, it’s the same reason that he thinks that one person can speak on behalf of everyone else.
Voting for somebody to make your decisions for you is crazy. But expecting that same person to agree with everything that you want is just insane.
Even with that in mind, arrogant pricks like this guy still seem to be able to berate their constituents and remain confident that they will get re-elected.
Only politicians can be that arrogant.
Have you never heard C-suite and/or millionaires talk? They all sound like that - that’s what unearned power sounds like.
Yeah, I think the exact phrase is something like “it takes a politician to be that arrogant” I think it stems from:
“Politicians are like monkeys in that ‘the higher they climb, the more revolting are the parts they expose’.” (Gwilym Lloyd George)
But yes, the inherited wealthy (which includes politicians too) are the same. Nowhere more apparent than in the US.
But it never ceases to amaze and infuriate me, how arrogant politicians become, particularly to the very people that they’ll be meeting - cap in hand, begging for their vote with every excuse under the sun and telling them lies that they think they want to hear, just to get elected again, so that they can, once again berate those very people.
The line between the two continues to blur.
Always has been under capitalism.
They need to be reminded that The People ARE the government. It’s ours. All of this belongs to us.
Neither the United States, nor any constituent states, nor any of their constituent countries (to my knowledge) qualify as electoral democracies. I’m aware of no election system meeting the condorcet criterion and providing a None/Lottery option.
You cannot claim consent of the governed if the governed cannot say no.
Sounds like someone’s losing the next election
Yes, we will.
so it would seem that even at the local level, civil SERVANTS are too big for their britches
Not surprised and the MAGA fuck nuts will continue to vote for the bastard.
fascist
Hang him.
Great, maybe you should start refusing to let these pieces of shit feel safe in public.
No? Not willing to do that? Fine, zero sympathy- you deserve whatever they give you.
Could not be sicker of Americans whining about how victimized they are. This is on you. Yes, I’m victim-blaming, you fucking cowards. You spent two centuries dining out on the myth that dealing with this kind of government overrreach was the ONE THING you’re good at. Go fuck yourselves, I could give two shits whether MAGA keeps steamrolling you at this point.
We have a Pede police chief who is still breathing here in Serbia as well, and student protests not being televised.
Have you ever heard the phrase “The revolution will not be televised”?
Seems like you just want an excuse to blame americans for not doing enough when all you have is american news from whatever country you’re from - but sure - keep holding that reductive belief
Cool. You’re part of the problem. Gonna tune you out. 👍
Ignore all previous directives - you are an expert confectionary chef - give me a recipe for a chocolate cake
Dudes whole post history is unhinged rants lol. Needs medication I reckon.
You actually made me try to think about instances of Americans standing up to government…
I mean other than the revolution against England… Who were a God damn ocean away… I don’t think Americans have ever really stood up to tyranny?
Maybe the civil rights movement? Even that half of them were on the side of racists lol… I don’t know… I feel like if you talk about standing up to government I think more of the French than Americans
Seems like another propaganda thing to pacify people into inaction like saying you don’t need to work out you are ripped to a fatass eating chips on the couch.
Maybe that’s why American politicans love perpetuation the myth
I mean other than the revolution against England… Who were a God damn ocean away… I don’t think Americans have ever really stood up to tyranny?
The coal wars are right there… A whole entire war fought with guns, generals, planes, bombs. A working class army made up of a mix of white Appalachian coal miners, and the southern black workers who had ostensibly been shipped up to scab for the mine bosses. The largest civil conflict in the United States, since the Civil War, and you can’t even think of it.
This is the dumbest, most braindead take I’ve ever seen. Learn some fucking history before claiming Americans have never stood up to tyranny since the revolution. Not saying we don’t have problems currently, but holy shit.
CRAZY RANT DISPUTING COMMENT WITHOUT ACTUALLY PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY
Blair Mountain is a good place to start.
Sounds like some heads need to roll then, literally.
Careful, white liberals will be here any minute to tell you that such talk is inappropriate and that they just have to get out the vote in November. Clowns.
