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I think it’s like most things, 1% are loud and the rest will accept it
I think the percentage may be higher, but people who like physical media are more likely to be people who buy things second-hand and people who buy much fewer games, but keep playing them for much longer. Sony simply doesn’t care about them, because the ones who move the market are the ones who buy a lot of games, making huge backlogs that will never be touched, pay for subscriptions, etc, and those people don’t care about physical media
Yep, the amount of acceptance is disheartening. i hope those console gamers keep taking it so pcs still have a tad of affordability.
Turds with different shades.
Valve does it: It’s ok. Sony does it: Fuck Sony!
Because valve hasn’t simultaneously announced this and pulled content from people’s accounts without consultation or apology.
You should stick to conspiracy theorist forums.
That would be a conspiracy fact forum since you know it actually happened and you just don’t know what the word theory means.
Yeah, sounds just like a conspiracy theorist. ‘conspiracy fact!’ lol
PlayStation is a walled garden and Sony recently pulled a collection of digital movies from people’s accounts. Valve might enshitrify someday but they haven’t yet. Digital rights on Sony are already being abused.
Oh they are so close yet so far away
Anything but Linux…
I don’t see why they don’t at least try it, it’s free.
The last thing I want is AAA game studios supporting Linux due to a max exodus of Windows users, because that means they’ll shoehorn their kernel anticheat into proton. Keep that shit away from my work machines. If the capability is included at all, then it will become a vector for nasty exploits.
I can’t see how they’d do it, proton gets installed by the steam client. That client doesn’t run with root privilege, so at the very least they’d have to trigger a password dialog which would be highly obvious.
The average Windows user will happily click “yes” on the UAC prompt when it pops up, so I don’t think it would be that conspicuous to someone who isn’t technical. I’m also pretty sure PolicyKit could get involved but I’ve never messed with it.
My most recent switch for my desktop was Fedora. Super simple to install steam and most games I have tried so far work. Happy to try other flavors as well because they all have cool features worth exploring. Happy to try anything new. Suggest you all do the same just like Winnie suggests.
The article is probably paid propaganda by Microsoft.
Just look at the site’s name. Not biased at all!
Because it’s still a mess. Only technical users are going to stick with it.
just when was the last time you even saw a linux distro? Ubuntu runs like a smart phone now within the last year of updates.
srsly its just icon buttons now. the need for terminal is all but a distant memory now for the average user.
Daily steamdeck and bazzite user. Devops + SE 40 hours a week 🤷♂️. I’m regularly in the terminal fixing stuff.
Then perhaps you’re overthinking it. that is not uncommon for tech types BTW. I’ve seen more inefficient program code from so called ‘geniuses’ than anything and I just can’t help put my head in my hands whenever they go off like you are rn.
Kuz a child or boomer grandparent could easily run ubuntu and probably never ever have to call IT unless something actually physically busted on their puter. Linux is smart enough to tell them what is wrong.
The fact it told me clear errors such as a drive has days before it’s toast was an amazing experience after working blind in windows. Someone computer illiterate could just haul their box and throw it at the geek squad and just tell them to hook up a new drive.
Unlike windows: ‘it broke. Go fish.’.
It is now the moment for Valve to announce that they have come up with a way to let you sell/exchange games between users on Steam. They do this and they eat the whole market.
They will never do this, but we can dream.
If valve released a “exchange program” that allows you to trade digital licenses, even for a fee, it would be revolutionary.
…don’t…don’t they already have this feature? Steam Family allows you to share libraries of games with your “family members”.
And unlike Nintendo with their Virtual Game Card two-week limit, you can share Steam games forever AFAIK.
Yeah, but I meant something like actually trading. Not just sharing in the family group. Imagine I have a game I’ve completed, I don’t want it anymore and you want to play it. We’re not in the same family group, so I offer you to trade it for a game of your library, or maybe we make a deal and you pay me some money for it so you are in a way, purchasing it second-hand from me.
Yeah sure because Win11 and Xbox haven‘t been a complete dumpster fire…
X for doubt.
When they say that they’re eyeing Windows 11 gaming PCs by the reality tmits to game on Linux
From what im seeing people are looking at steam/linux as an alternative not windows. With the RAM shortage, windows is probably the worst solution out of the available options.
Either way it sucks to get rid of the only way to get used games anymore. Im hoping this kicks back more and we see more partnerships with companies like limited run games and others who do physical releases. https://megacatstudios.com/products/zpf for example.
This is what i am hoping. Windows is still MS and their anti gaming bull.
My question becomes what would limited run games create the games to play on in the future? PS6 will likely not have a physical game option if I had to guess. Nintendo Switch 2 just came out, so that may be the last console to support physical games. I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
The Evercade is proactively selling cartridge first game systems and games.
The available hardware is more retro focused, in power level, but everything in the line runs on every available device (outside of some license bullshit by Capcom and Namco, which I think they cleared up).
I can’t see these gaining more popularity over Steam, PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo if they are only sticking to do retro. From my understanding, most indie companies want maximum reach for their games, especially for the amount of time and money they put into things.
Now just pay for RAM and SSDs
You already pay for RAM and SSD when you buy the console
Save about $100 and your sanity by using Linux over Windows
It only saves your sanity if you have a full AMD build. Otherwise, you better be an IT pro or have the time and inclination to do a lot of learning. Nvidia drivers are notoriously problematic with Linux
Nvidia hasn’t been an issue for like 10 years.
It’s super easy to install either the open or proprietary nvidia drivers on most distros nowadays.
And KDE with Wayland works great on nvidia GPUs.
Stopn taking. There are regular NVidia issues. I don’t even get reliable HDMI handshakes and HDMI passthrough doesn’t work.
You got an abnormal issue, and I would help you troubleshoot if you’d like.
This was kind but not the point. I spend 40 hours a week contributing and fixing shit (Devops+SE work) I can deal with an HDMI handshake failing because fuck Windows and I’ve done lfs ages ago. It’s not abnormal, this is copium.
Most users, especially non technical are not going to deal with this bullshit.
I’ve been using Linux with various GPUs (AMD, nvidia, and integrated) and various distros since 2008 and I’ve never had this issue.
I worked in a place that built and maintained computers with Linux installed and again never seen the issue you describe.
The hardest time I ever had whit a GPU was back when I was using Ubuntu on an AMD card back in 2008. And the hardest thing then was figuring out what repo to use as newb.
Builds with an integrated GPU in the CPU with a different dedicated GPU used to be difficult until bumblebee came about and now they couldn’t be easier.
It is true that people might have to read error messages every now and then, but in the open source community, error message make sense and you can research them entirely yourself.
I don’t doubt that you are having an issues, it may be something as simple as your hardware is too new for the distro release you have installed and you should update. However, to say that everyone will have some weird issue is wrong.
I’ve convinced about 5 friends and neighbors (one over 70) to switch to Linux in the past 2 years. All I did was provide install media and help them boot to it. They figured the rest out and didn’t have issues either.
Not anymore. I’d say there has been massive improvements in the last 3-5 years for Nvidia. This was one of the main reasons I didn’t swap over sooner.
Guess stop this nonsense. There are plenty of Nvidia issues.
What nonsense? I’ve used nvidia since the early 2000s. There are no more issues than AMD right now.
i have both a gaming laptop with nvidia gpu and a steam deck, and the steam deck manages to outperform the laptop with linux even though the laptop is orders of magnitude more powerful (on windows it easily beats the steam deck).
so yes, amd is a lot more optimized for linux than nvidia and i know many people who wouldn’t surrender half of their fps for some privacy/freedom.
I have an nvidia pc with Linux on it and a steam deck. My PC out performs the steam deck by a large margin. I use stock drivers, no fancy tweaks.
It’s 2026. I still am yelled at by nerds about issues in Linux that apparently didn’t exist 🤣
You people are the reason Linux will never be mainstream. The inability to admit any sort of bug or luck or driver support from a nerd is astounding.
I know I know, get a different distro and I’m holding it wrong.
Who’s yelling at you?
as popular as diy and linux are on lemmy, pre-builts are still bought by more gamers; and those almost always include windows.
Some prebuilts allow you to skip the OS or the drive altogether and save money
See the Steam Machine could’ve been the perfect pre-built machine for casual gamers looking to dip their toes into PC gaming.
The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
I got really lucky with mint, like, everything works! Games, apps, my work flows normal. But my only one problem is quite annoying: I need a windows only extension for my printer.
I’d like to preface by saying I have no intent of invalidating you. However… It is a bit of a journey. If you are nerdy and like seeing how things come together, you will likely enjoy said journey, if you’re someone who just wants things to work out of the box, the road might be a little bumpy…
I may have grown used to tinkering, but I’ll admit I enjoy it, I am such a nerd. You shouldn’t have to tinker, nor use the terminal nor know all the little details in your distribution, and as a long time linux user, who has found the value of the terminal (so much so I use the drop down version of it) it annoys me that most tutorials even mention it.
Lately, there’s an incredible emphasis on FPS in games, rather than daily drivability or ease of use for newbies, and in my opinion it adds to the choice paralysis. And I’ll say up front, Ubuntu, the once popular distro, shouldn’t be suggested for newbies, because of some of their choices too. (Notably Snapd)
Ideally, the journey should start with something that works with your hardware, offers a decent software selection, But also leaves room for exploration should one want to. I’m a sucker for post installation first boot “wizards” that ask what software you’d like, and there aren’t enough distros that do this.
I’ll be honest, distro hopping is inevitable. You will eventually want to try something different, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But it shouldn’t be at the very beginning. But the solace is that, there is more than a single way to tackle any issue in Linux, and very often the simplest isn’t the most obvious, nor the one mentioned in tutorials…
My journey way;
Ubuntu 9.04 > Xubuntu > Linux Mint Xfce > Linux Mint Cinnamon > KDE Neon > Manjaro KDE > Garuda Linux
And frankly, I still suggest Linux Mint. I dont think I personally know another that’s a good entryway. It does provide what I assume, to be what most people need, and still offers plenty of ROM to grow.
Ideally Cinnamon, but if you want a lighter desktop, Xfce is decent and complete, and still more customizable than Gnome (without installing extensions)
Linux is definitely a rabithole, not gonna deny that, you’ll find all sorts of people, but ideally, the journey is your own, there is no score for using “hard mode distros”, just enjoy the ride at your pace, and don’t be afraid of asking for help when you need it.
Well, you are sort of validating my point pretty much with the content of your answer.
The issue is not willingness to tinker or such. It is time. People just don’t realize how much time this kind of tinkering eats. Which is not fun but extremely frustrating when all you want to do is to use your wee bit of free time for something relaxing and fun.
So no, I am not prepared to sacrifice my rare moments of mental recuperation on trying to figure out why something that should just work doesn’t work. Or doesn’t work in the needed way.
Until Linux isn’t utterly install and it works right away intuitively it will NEVER reach the masses.
I mean this comment is good and kindly written but it is exactly what poster is talking about
Honestly sad that this is at the bottom of this thread with all the linux glazers listed above. And every comment is massively up/downvoted depending on whether it is in support of Linux or not, regardless of the quality of the arguments.
To be fair, I’m a Linux user myself but I really cannot stand these obnoxious people who think that Linux is a full-on Windows replacement for everyone and anyone who doesn’t immediately install Linux is an ignorant fool. I like tinkering with my system, but I wouldn’t berate anyone who doesn’t. I care about my privacy, it’s not my business whether you care enough to switch your habits and devote your free time towards Linux.
Linux users are the sort of people who will tell you that vinyl just produces superior sound quality. It’s a sort of cult really.
Linux systems are fine but they are hardly the pain free, “it just works” solution that the community likes to constantly claim that it is.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.
The disc at this stage is somewhat symbolic, its the line that sand against the anti consumer practices being pushed by the platforms.
We have trusted them and during that they have:
- They have sleptwalked users into accepting digital over physical.
- They have infiltrated many areas of game production and monopolized
- They have normalised subscriptions for many areas of gameplay…
And now they are getting pretty bold of what they want.
- You will have to verify your identity
- The products you ‘bought’ can be taken away from you at the platforms discretion
- You will have to be online to play the products you purchased…and you will need to pay for that service.
- They can charge what they want for the games and there is no competition to weaken prices
- You will pay more for your device with less features
They are testing the tolerance with this. This is not about the physical disc. Its about saying enough!
Linux PC
Not yet a good option for gaming.
I’d say on AMD systems it’s pretty viable, but NVIDIA is still not there. On my gaming laptop I lose 30-50% of FPS in GPU-heavy scenes compared to Windows.
Though I’d recommend to use tiny11 or atlasos when staying on windows to remove some of the slop
I’m not talking about performance, I’m talking about compatibility. Still too many games simply need Windows. Until this is no longer an issue, linux is not a viable alternative to recommend to gamers, or at least not without mentioning that a good chunk of AAA games will not be playable.
But just like any community, Lemmy users are strongly opinionated, so I was expecting the irrational downvotes :)
It depends on whether you play single player stuff or e-sports titles. The first category is fine, the latter is a crapshoot. Personally, I don’t play heavy multiplayer stuff and at this point don’t even check to see if a game will run before buying it (they all do), but I’d probably have bought a console by now if I liked playing the latter.
That said, everyone should use what works best for them.
The first category is still definitely under-covered by linux compatibility. If I look at the game I am currently playing, recently released, Solarpunk, I can’t run it on Linux. I didn’t have to look very far.
So, no, it is not only e-sports titles. It’s going in the right direction, but it’s still not enough for Linux to be a good recommendation for gaming over Windows.
If people want to switch to Linux for gaming, that’s fantastic. But the incessant “Don’t go for Windows, go for Linux” push without mentioning that you won’t be able to play all the same titles does piss me off.
Are you talking about this Solarpunk? Because it has a platinum rating (which means it works flawlessly).
I wasn’t aware that there was such an advanced compatibility layer! This is good news!
Then Solarpunk is a bad example :) And the compatibility coverage is higher than I thought. But, since it isn’t close to complete, especially as you said when it comes to esports titles, which are extremely popular, it’s still the honest route to mention that when recommending Linux gaming.
It might be enough to make me finally do the switch on my gaming PC, though.
