Valve does it: It’s ok. Sony does it: Fuck Sony!
Because valve hasn’t simultaneously announced this and pulled content from people’s accounts without consultation or apology.
You should stick to conspiracy theorist forums.
That would be a conspiracy fact forum since you know it actually happened and you just don’t know what the word theory means.
Yeah, sounds just like a conspiracy theorist. ‘conspiracy fact!’ lol
PlayStation is a walled garden and Sony recently pulled a collection of digital movies from people’s accounts. Valve might enshitrify someday but they haven’t yet. Digital rights on Sony are already being abused.
The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
Honestly sad that this is at the bottom of this thread with all the linux glazers listed above. And every comment is massively up/downvoted depending on whether it is in support of Linux or not, regardless of the quality of the arguments.
To be fair, I’m a Linux user myself but I really cannot stand these obnoxious people who think that Linux is a full-on Windows replacement for everyone and anyone who doesn’t immediately install Linux is an ignorant fool. I like tinkering with my system, but I wouldn’t berate anyone who doesn’t. I care about my privacy, it’s not my business whether you care enough to switch your habits and devote your free time towards Linux.
I’d like to preface by saying I have no intent of invalidating you. However… It is a bit of a journey. If you are nerdy and like seeing how things come together, you will likely enjoy said journey, if you’re someone who just wants things to work out of the box, the road might be a little bumpy…
I may have grown used to tinkering, but I’ll admit I enjoy it, I am such a nerd. You shouldn’t have to tinker, nor use the terminal nor know all the little details in your distribution, and as a long time linux user, who has found the value of the terminal (so much so I use the drop down version of it) it annoys me that most tutorials even mention it.
Lately, there’s an incredible emphasis on FPS in games, rather than daily drivability or ease of use for newbies, and in my opinion it adds to the choice paralysis. And I’ll say up front, Ubuntu, the once popular distro, shouldn’t be suggested for newbies, because of some of their choices too. (Notably Snapd)
Ideally, the journey should start with something that works with your hardware, offers a decent software selection, But also leaves room for exploration should one want to. I’m a sucker for post installation first boot “wizards” that ask what software you’d like, and there aren’t enough distros that do this.
I’ll be honest, distro hopping is inevitable. You will eventually want to try something different, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But it shouldn’t be at the very beginning. But the solace is that, there is more than a single way to tackle any issue in Linux, and very often the simplest isn’t the most obvious, nor the one mentioned in tutorials…
My journey way;
Ubuntu 9.04 > Xubuntu > Linux Mint Xfce > Linux Mint Cinnamon > KDE Neon > Manjaro KDE > Garuda Linux
And frankly, I still suggest Linux Mint. I dont think I personally know another that’s a good entryway. It does provide what I assume, to be what most people need, and still offers plenty of ROM to grow.
Ideally Cinnamon, but if you want a lighter desktop, Xfce is decent and complete, and still more customizable than Gnome (without installing extensions)
Linux is definitely a rabithole, not gonna deny that, you’ll find all sorts of people, but ideally, the journey is your own, there is no score for using “hard mode distros”, just enjoy the ride at your pace, and don’t be afraid of asking for help when you need it.
Well, you are sort of validating my point pretty much with the content of your answer.
The issue is not willingness to tinker or such. It is time. People just don’t realize how much time this kind of tinkering eats. Which is not fun but extremely frustrating when all you want to do is to use your wee bit of free time for something relaxing and fun.
So no, I am not prepared to sacrifice my rare moments of mental recuperation on trying to figure out why something that should just work doesn’t work. Or doesn’t work in the needed way.
Until Linux isn’t utterly install and it works right away intuitively it will NEVER reach the masses.
I mean this comment is good and kindly written but it is exactly what poster is talking about
I got really lucky with mint, like, everything works! Games, apps, my work flows normal. But my only one problem is quite annoying: I need a windows only extension for my printer.
Linux users are the sort of people who will tell you that vinyl just produces superior sound quality. It’s a sort of cult really.
Linux systems are fine but they are hardly the pain free, “it just works” solution that the community likes to constantly claim that it is.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.
Now just pay for RAM and SSDs
You already pay for RAM and SSD when you buy the console
Linux PC
Not yet a good option for gaming.
I’d say on AMD systems it’s pretty viable, but NVIDIA is still not there. On my gaming laptop I lose 30-50% of FPS in GPU-heavy scenes compared to Windows.
Though I’d recommend to use tiny11 or atlasos when staying on windows to remove some of the slop
I’m not talking about performance, I’m talking about compatibility. Still too many games simply need Windows. Until this is no longer an issue, linux is not a viable alternative to recommend to gamers, or at least not without mentioning that a good chunk of AAA games will not be playable.
But just like any community, Lemmy users are strongly opinionated, so I was expecting the irrational downvotes :)
It depends on whether you play single player stuff or e-sports titles. The first category is fine, the latter is a crapshoot. Personally, I don’t play heavy multiplayer stuff and at this point don’t even check to see if a game will run before buying it (they all do), but I’d probably have bought a console by now if I liked playing the latter.
That said, everyone should use what works best for them.
The first category is still definitely under-covered by linux compatibility. If I look at the game I am currently playing, recently released, Solarpunk, I can’t run it on Linux. I didn’t have to look very far.
So, no, it is not only e-sports titles. It’s going in the right direction, but it’s still not enough for Linux to be a good recommendation for gaming over Windows.
If people want to switch to Linux for gaming, that’s fantastic. But the incessant “Don’t go for Windows, go for Linux” push without mentioning that you won’t be able to play all the same titles does piss me off.
Are you talking about this Solarpunk? Because it has a platinum rating (which means it works flawlessly).
I wasn’t aware that there was such an advanced compatibility layer! This is good news!
Then Solarpunk is a bad example :) And the compatibility coverage is higher than I thought. But, since it isn’t close to complete, especially as you said when it comes to esports titles, which are extremely popular, it’s still the honest route to mention that when recommending Linux gaming.
It might be enough to make me finally do the switch on my gaming PC, though.
Windows 11 sucks. Find a linux distro that you like and is easy to use.
Do u think the people used to hitting the power button and clicking the game they want to play on a console are gonna be able to set up Linux and work out the inevitable bugs? I think moving from a console -> windows PC is a good intermediate step before going to Linux, and hell to this day I still use a windows PC because of the programs i need for tuning ecus and designing 3d models (yes I know i can use freecad but also my job has a fusion 360 subscription and thats what we use at work, and no there aren’t any ECU tuning programs worth a shit on Linux that wont brick a 1k$ ecu). Yea windows is enshitified, but I’d argue it’s less enshitified then either console at this point and I’d rather see people move away from consoles to windows than keep buying consoles because they can’t figure out how to get their GPU to work with the distro they chose. I personally have gone through and debloated windows to the point it works great. I understand that same effort could have been spent setting up a good distro, but no distro would run HP tuners or tripnic suite or ecuflash and I WONT risk running in a virtual box or any of that crap for my applications, too much at risk! And don’t worry I didn’t give microslop a dime 🏴☠️
Every single time anybody talks about Windows 11 someone, usually a lot of someone’s, always comes along and goes, just use Linux. We know Linux exists, it’s not a secret, you don’t have to mention it ad nauseam in every single post.
if you’re going to put windows ad nauseum in my feed its only fair i put linux in your’s.
now you know how it feels.
Literally every single goddamn comment in here is people going on about Linux, can we talk about people being pissed off at Sony, which is what the actual topic is about.
You can see that Linux has already been mentioned 40 times already why have you got to make it 41?
If they ever fix the kernel level anti-cheat issue this would be a good suggestion. Until then, Linux can’t play most of the most popular and most played games on consoles.
Afaik that’s a decision from the game developers, not from Linux developers, to enable kernel-level anti-cheat.
It doesn’t make any difference whose fault it is. If anti cheat doesn’t work on Linux which means that it’s a non-viable option for a lot of people. They’re not going to suddenly go “oh well in that case I don’t mind” just because you point out that it’s the game developers responsibility.
What “they” do you mean? Kernel level anti cheat is stupid
Anyone making any Linux distro.
While I agree, that’s a lot to ask of a PC gamer, let alone a console gamer. Maybe if SteamOS starts supporting hardware better, that could be a good distro we could point console gamers towards.
Is there any word on how easy it is to get SteamOS working on non-steam devices. I would just buy the steam machine but apparently valve don’t want my money, they sent me an email to say that they have randomly put me so far down the list that they don’t actually have enough units, with no ETA on when they’re going to get more. So that’s out.
The latest build of SteamOS actually is working on this exact problem, btw. So yeah, we will.
I knew they were working on it, but cool that it might be soon!
Mint is mint
Windows 11 PCs… No… No don’t. That’s equally wrong.
Which will lead then straight to Linux because Linux is free, fast, and awesome and doesn’t spy in you or serve you ads while windows 11…
Fuck big tech
Nothing wrong with steam os. Linux is the future. Fuck consoles, fuck Microslop.
Fck windows 11 and Micro$lop.
Suddenly the Steam box isn’t that bad anymore…
If I’m not gonna own what I buy, then I trust steam and an infinitely larger catalogue of games over Sony and their entire history of proprietary connectors and bullshit.
Obviously building you own and running steam os is better and cheaper, but for normies who want a console experience and don’t want to assemble their own PC, manage cables, or know about bandwidth settings for your ram in the bios, the steam machine is starting to look appealing
The all-digital, non-upgradable, less-powerful-than-a-PS5-but-for-2x-the-cost steam machine?
It’s still a bad deal. It also can’t play most games that console players play these days.
dont do it. dont do the windows. do the linux. be nicer to yourself. youll thank yourself later.
Just use Winhance. It not only removes all AI bullshit, it also makes your computer faster. Linux boxes are great if you wanna live exclusively in Steam. Some of us pirate games that aren’t on Steam.
You can’t have any pro windows stance here at all on lemmy bud. The fediverse is likely 99.7% Linux enthusiasts.
steam is an app. not OS. and you all still dont even know how that works regardless of where youre installing it.
pirating fail.
Unfortunately true. I’m agnostic to the OS. I’m 100% the use case and the feasibility and longevity.
Use whatever OS fits your needs. Not what Lemmy thinks you need. Because at the end of the day you’re the one stuck trying to vibe code a driver or a function that you need/want.
Case in point. I spent 1 full week trying to get the Ethernet to stop asking for a static IP even tho it’s been set to DHCP. It turned out the motherboard is too new and there is limited driver support. After compiling my own drivers, the entire system would panic without any logs. Even full verbose and custom watchers. Nothing.
Meetings with clients would frequently panic or my entire codebase would vanish after a crash.
I reinstalled windows and just worked. No fiddling. No compiling. No researching. Just worked.
All my other homelabs are on Linux. Just the main workhorse is Windows.
Given the advice you gave up there shows youre unwilling to understand how steam works (regardless of OS) I’m very willing to bet there was user error involved in any other issues you have and refer to as it ‘OS’ errors.
i wouldnt even trust you with windows.
Some of us use computers to run a business instead of play games.
Yeah the Linux community are a bunch of unrealistic tech obsessed weirdos who don’t live in the real world where you actually have to have a computer that 100% works 100% of the time. The vast majority of the human population do not enjoy, or have the capacity to, fiddle around trying to get basic functionality working.
And if you mention the fact that because of the lack of kernel support you can’t get things like battlefield 5 working they say, who cares about battlefield it’s shit anyway, like that’s some sort of arguement, and it’s your fault for wanting to be able to play a popular video game.
I’m all in favour of the operating system but the community had just toxic.
No one from linux here is spanking you for not using linux. you are being spanked for not knowing how an app like steam works. i would kick your ass just the same for posting on a windows forum for not knowing that you can add non steam games to steam. hell I’ve installed non games on steam. just exe. you dont need a specific OS to do that.
And not denying you to play specifically battlefield but theres probably double the pvp games over what isnt playable on linux that is playable on linux. you dont want that? fine. you do you.
i personally wouldnt throw an os out over one game when i have 5 others that are easily playable on there to just try it out. so i dont know why you have such shade just over someone who does use linux.
we really are quite literally spoiled on choice in this day and age with games given there’s console wars aside from all this pc bickering we’re here doing.
but to each their own. go back to your pretending to be starving for choices. poor you. there there i guess.
The fact that you couldn’t be moderately civil there proves my point that the entire community is toxic is all hell.
Sure, I’m wrong about piracy on Linux. I didn’t know it was so established. That doesn’t mean I’m some kind of noob online.
Im the lead developer at my work. Im quite capable and comfortable in Linux.
Unfortunately, Linux doesn’t get very good hardware support. So you either have to compile the drivers yourself or hope someone else has done that work. Nobody got time for that.
Some severe cope you have here. I only tend to play 1 or 2 games at most in any time frame. -Maybe 3-6 a year. When one of those doesn’t play on Linux, that’s a huge impact on my view of Linux. -But that’s minor compared to the games that couldn’t be completed halfway through due to frame timing issues. Also, pacing games that experienced input lag. It’s worse to be stuck with a game broken midway on a shitty limited OS than to just have it not play to begin with.
Maybe if you played games enough to experience problems instead of constantly having to fix your Linux; you’d see these things.
i didnt say i didnt play enough games to know. that is your assumption.
i just finished testing 20 in the last few months. they worked fine on linux.
and i built a simulation rig.
unlike others here : I know Steam is an app. not an OS
So i know what i’m doing.
I get that you’re trying to be helpful but all of winhance can be patched in the next release and who wants to worry about cat and mouse just to use slop instead of an actually consumer friendly os like Linux
You can add any pirate game on Linux with Lutris.
so what you are saying is you didnt do any very basic newb research to discover yet that you can add non steam games to steam too.
and you havent heard of herioc …in which you can also add random games to
or lutris.
the advice you have for me isnt sound. or researched.
Faugus too, or even bottles. Many options available
And for those people pirating non-steam games heroic launcher works just fine. Or lutris.
Just use Winhance
“Just drink arsenic with berries. The berries make it taste better. Don’t worry about the rest”
And what does it help to turn to microslop? They will just bury you in subscriptions and data steal?
It’s a Windows news site
I’m amazed there’s an audience for a windows site. Linux? Yeah, give me more. Mac, I guess. But windows? I haven’t heard any news that aren’t bad since forever.
Lemmy is overwhelmingly anti Windows
I’m doing my part!
I just want things to work.
Then install bazzite.
Sure. I’ll install two of them.
That’s fine for gaming but it’s not an operating system for general purpose computing.
Yes. Exactly! That’s why we’re so die hard into Linux, here.
That doesn’t explain arch users
Hey! If you’re used to not being able to play some games, use Linux. It is much more efficient which you can use to avoid upgrades, more powerful cards, etc.
Just get a Linux distro and throw some PC parts together and you’ll be better off with that then W11 or shitbox.
DDR3 should still be fairly ok for a starter PC.
Plenty of good old games run very well on Linux and older hardware.
My gaming machine is still using DDR3. Never really saw a reason to upgrade, games mostly became more demanding in the graphics-sector, even the first-gen i5 is doing reasonably well with most games, even newer ones. And if not, I blame badly optimized games.
RAM speed usually is the last thing you have to worry about in games.
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