Bye
You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance’s top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world, and while I won’t give you the personal satisfaction of having won, you’ve definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.
Even people around here I’d interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves. That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, and violent rhetoric.
Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I’m done with this place.
I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren’t me actually want a place that’s not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.
Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users, and lead harassment, brigading, and DARVO campaigns against those who dare call out their bullshit or decide to disassociate themselves and their work from them.
Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named’s admins were calling for the death of LW’s admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they ‘caught’ and should be killed.
.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.
“We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it.” they probably said.
Bullshit.
I’m one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what’s right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
Fuck lemmy world’s admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.
Nah, fuck this whole place. I’ve let too many things fall by the wayside IRL because of dealing with all this fediverse bullshit and trying to give it the slightest bit of polish both visually and atmospherically. Mythbusters may have proven that you can, in fact, polish a turd, but at the end of the day, it’s still a shiny ball of shit.
For the few people left who didn’t turn out to be psychotic, I’ll think of you from time to time when recalling something you’ve posted or commented that genuinely made me laugh, made me think, or otherwise put a smile on my face or in my heart.
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you’re welcome.
AdmiralPatrick went about this the complete wrong way, and was salty as heck. There’s no excusing the blocklist implantation.
But… I don’t disagree with their sentiment.
That comment directed at db0 is abrasive and uncalled for. Yet. Just the other day, I saw a commenter highlight this:
“Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target.” Are they wrong though?
And among the comment maelstrom, db0’s reply was:
We’re not pacifists, no.
And of course my own take that I would rather not kill people was shot down vehemently. To think I almost joined db0 when I first found the Fediverse…
…What the fuck?
I don’t want to be close to a community like that.
One that just endorses calls for explicit violence and dances on people’s graves as long as the admin agrees with the target. One that boosts straight up misinformation as long as it has the “right” message. Lemmy.world seemed like it was on a trajectory to moderate that, but like the Tesseract dev observed, it sure doesn’t feel like that anymore.
Why would I wanna post about niche topics in a place like that?
In a place like this?
…Yeah, I don’t feel welcome here anymore, either. I haven’t for a while. If the trend holds, commenters are gonna call me out as being insufficiently anti-fascist, again.
I’m sick of that.
Maybe I’ll try blocking more spaces, and stick to niche discourse.
But if Lemmy’s current trajectory holds, and the bar for calling for violence is that low and spammed everywhere, I’m most certainly deleting my account, and leaving, too.
And of course my own take that I would rather not kill people was shot down vehemently.
> says you would rather not kill people
> makes account on liberal capitalist instance
> capitalism kills billions
> States do violence all the time
> liberal world order locked in climate disaster for all lifeMake it make sense
If the trend holds, commenters are gonna call me out as being insufficiently anti-fascist, again.
Look, pacifism is a defensible position. It’s not my position, but I empathize deeply with pacifists and I truly abhor violence.
So it would be very bizarre for an actual pacifist to view lemmy.world, whose admins are liberals (and therefore not pacifists, since at a minimum, liberalism advocates for the violence of the State and capitalism), as better than lemmy.dbzer0.com, whose admins are anarchists, who are often not pacifists, but whose social program is explicitly oriented towards minimizing violence. IMO non-pacifist anarchists and pacifists agree on the necessity of minimizing violence as an objective. The difference between a pacifist and a non-pacifist anarchist is whether we believe that the system achieving the minimal possible violence has either zero or nonzero violence.
LW is a capitalist instance? Are you fuckin’ high?
Yeah their admins are liberals, and liberals are capitalist.
Not what liberal means at all. 🤦♂️
I guess if you only read the first paragraph and not the second. Liberals can be capitalist; it doesn’t define liberalism.
Okay here we go:
Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, gaining popularity among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings, and traditional conservatism with representative democracy, rule of law, and equality under the law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies, and other trade barriers, instead promoting free trade and marketization. The philosopher
John goddamn fucking Locke
is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and governments must not violate these rights. While the British liberal tradition emphasized expanding democracy, French liberalism emphasized rejecting authoritarianism.
(Natural right is highlighted because it’s a spook of the mind and it’s inextricably interlinked with the existence of a divine being. I.e., it breaks once belief in a higher power breaks. Freedom is taken, not bestowed by God, nature, governments, etc. E.g., regardless of whether or not philosophers decided you have a natural right to clean water, you deserve clean water, rights be damned, and you ought to take the steps necessary to get it.)
Yeah sounds pretty capitalist to me. Like I deliberately did not talk about John Locke because I thought that would be cheating 😆
Liberals can be capitalist; it doesn’t define liberalism.
No lol. If you’re not a capitalist then you’re literally not a liberal either, you’re something else.
I’ve been blocking a lot of spaces, but the tankies just spread out and brigade everything. It’s really annoying. I’m on a German instance so I’m pretty sure db0 defaderated because we actually police antisemitism, so I already get less of this.
But yea, Tankies being completely unhinged is all over the internet. If you want some examples look at what happened to Ethan Klein and Fleshsimulator (Re-upload because he gets mass reported).
This needs to get called out more.
But it’s not just the tankies, apparently. It’s db0 too? Extremists on .world. And yeah, the toxic “snark” subs that Ethan Kelin video points out seem about right.
It’s also that I’ve seen this story before, before I found the Fediverse. Reddit clones that don’t get shut down just wither away when distilled to such an extreme. Lemmy/Piefed would be no different, in spite of everything it has going for it.
Even if we can block most of the Fediverse somehow, what’s the point of staying on a sinking ship?
You are not fighting antisemitism you are fighting anti zionism. Defending ethen klein remove all your credibility.
The fediverse do not need saving especially for a false saviour
It’s weird how he thinks the fediverse needs saving and takes it upon himself to be its savior. Feels like a messiah-complex.
And even then, he still could’ve gone and carved up what he would define a safe space by his standards. All he needed to do was be upfront about it. He can’t accept that people are mad not because he created a blacklist for users and instances he deems unsavory, but because he tried to hide it behind an app that is advertised as a generic front end for lemmy and is supposed to be useable for everyone. If he disclosed what he was doing behind the scenes, then people who don’t agree with his methods would just stop using it, exactly what he was telling people that you have the choice to not use it, when he was trying to defend what he did.
I mean, look at .world. They have defederated from a ton of stuff because of their policies, and they’re still doing fine because users are well aware of their stance.
The irony of trying to turn the fediverse into something it was created as an opposition of.
I remember I was one of the first people who provided feedback when it was first announced. I never got to using it because I browse mostly on desktop at it was designed for mobile (at least the time, I dunno what it looks like now).
Yet another lesson NOT learned.
WTF is tesseract?
seems to me the real issue is he did not advertise his app as offering a carefully curated experience and here is everything that is blocked and such. if he had there would be no drama as the first comment would be how his app goes over this and explains it all to anyone looking to use it.
Damn, what’s c/memes going to post about now?
TL;DR, this doesn’t belong in “Technology”. Isnt’ there a “whiny melodrama” community?
ya know, I didn’t know where to put it. It’s not news, it’s not a shitpost… it’s tech drama? so that’s why I posted it here? If you can think of a better place, let me know. But, I thought, as popular as this whole debacle was on lemmy, people at least deserved to see this shithead ragequit.
There’s a Fediverse community this would be more appropriate for.
Many of us are just glad he’s gone and sad that everyone that’s still here keeps posting about it.
There’s a fedidrama community I think and if so, that would be the best fit I think. This belongs in Technology about as well as me complaining about the phone case not being the color I wanted.
As someone who generally doesn’t care about internet drama but is on the list, I appreciate you posting it here.
Hopefully he took his ball and went home for good this time.
Control freaks never stop, they just reboot & try again.
In one of the threads I ran across, he was accused of having several alt accounts. I would suspect at least a couple of them will remain open.
Good riddance
Wow this is fucked up I’m anti censorship and all but the people out there harassing and sending death threat are affirming his actions and being awful people. There are better ways of communicating your feeling on the matter then bullying someone off a platform regardless of what he did.
Everyone is the hero in their story 🤷
I don’t believe you.
Sounds like Lex Luthor, a villain convinced he’s the hero.
I read it more like a Scooby-Doo unmasking, “And I would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for you pesky kids!” 😀
About as competent
Most good villains are convinced of their own purity and sanctity. No one sees themselves as the villain
Interesting, as someone who was regex’d out of existence by Tesseract, can’t say I really care. But what do you expect building a shadow ban list in a place that is supposed to be free? That can’t come off as any other way than malicious. For once someone is more sanctimonious than I.
