• Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I had crashes on Linux because of defective hardware but first thought it was because of software/config/driver issues. I reinstalled the OS, problem persisted. I installed two other completely different distros, problem still there. To make sure it’s not because of Linux in general, I installed Windows…

    Damn the installation of Windows (newest image) with updates and only the basic drivers for GPU and mainboard took longer than installing three different Linux distros, and I’m not exaggerating!

    Linux: Boot installer, choose to use network installation so you get the newest packages, maybe add or remove some features, choose locales, enter login credentials, files get copied, reboot when finished, done.

    Windows: Boot installer, workaround to use local account, installing files, reboot, installing more files, choose locale and login credentials, answer questions about privacy, install more files, reboot, login to Windows, download updates, reboot, download more updates, reboot, open edge (optional: install other browser), visit mainboard manufacturer website, search for correct drivers, install, reboot, visit GPU website, download driver, install, reboot…

    And then it’s only the absolute minimum. No debloat or other software installed like office suite or steam which on Linux can selected and installed directly with the OS.

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    The trick is to learn to absolutely despise Windows before doing the switch, then everytime something breaks on Linux you reminisce about the olden days and decide that typing two or three commands in the terminal isn’t so bad afterall.

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      The trick is to

      dump your personal files into a seperate, non OS hard drive so that if shit hits the bricks, you have a parachute.

      Ask me how I know.

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        Or you can do like I did and simply put an extra hard drive in, load Linux on it. Then use your old Windows hard drive as a storage drive. For the first couple of weeks it was a nice safety blanket to have.

        Oh, and if your PC doesn’t have the room inside for an extra hard drive. Make it an external.

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    So I’ve gone back to linux for my daily but holy hell the driver support is very much still not there, especially for gaming.

    The wifi driver is flakey and drops connection requiring a disable/re-enable every so often, power management doesn’t work quite right with sleep mode locking up the system every so often, keyboard no use of most of the advanced features, same for the mouse and never mind about the other various nits that I end up finding that honestly don’t have much info because there’s no official driver support from the companies, just mostly wonderful people who are making things work but don’t have that industrial knowledge and limited time.

    Still, absolutely no regrets in moving back to Linux because Windows has been just horrible since 7 and 11, which I still have to use at work, is just absolute crap.

    • the wifi driver

      Holy fuck, really? The lack of working wifi or gpu drivers is why I never stayed with Linux for daily use outside of my media server box. And the last time I tried using it for my main gaming PC was over 10 years ago.

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      I’m not sure what distro you’re using or what hardware you have. But you must either have bad luck or choose bad cheap hardware.

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        I’ve been using wifi on Linux since the ndiswrapper days. I haven’t had a wifi issue in many many years using Lenovo, Dell, Panasonic laptops and various self built servers (but they tend to be wired)

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      Standby with nvidia gpus is broken still, but everything external I’ve plugged into my system works first time.

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        Nvidia works fine on my end, just installed the latest drivers and been running fine since I switched (~1.5yrs)

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        Is it? Got a 3080 and my pc goes to sleep and wakes up without issues. Or do you mean a specific mode? I just use whatever cachy with KDE uses as standard.

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    To me it was like, oh, you made it different and that makes so much more sense, why are they not doing it like that in Windows? Or just during university; there is a tool for that format? And it is already installed? Nice.

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    In contrast, Linux won’t stop you if you try to use a command that deletes every file on your PC (“sudo rm -rf /”).

    Actually AFAIK it will stop that specific command nowadays. I don’t have a VM handy to test, but without the “–no-preserve-root” flag it should give an error.

    (Don’t actually run that command on a machine you care about, I’m only 80% confident.)

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    My first night on Linux was rough. Getting all my apps installed and set up was exhausting, especially because I had no experience using the command line. For those who haven’t stared into the dark void of a Linux terminal before, it’s where most system management happens — installing apps, running updates, and the like. It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience

    Bullshit. And fuck you for propagating this notion, yet again.

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      You dont have to. But honestly its worth the time to get over the fear of the terminal. Understanding how they work and being comfortable using them has many advantages. So many things do not require a bloated GUI application. Like again its not necessary but its a bandaid that I think is worth it to rip off.

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        I really take issue with the author suggesting that you need to. You do not need to, and it is a myth that needs to go away. Particularly when they said it was “exhausting” installing applications. Linux is miles ahead on that front: you look through a list of what you like, or search for them, and click on the ones you want.

        Also for system management, there is no need for the terminal either and the author says “It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience”. That one in particular really doesn’t sit well with me.

        Now can you? Yes. Should you? Also yes, because it is the easiest way to convey and execute an idea. But you do not have to.

        And they fail to mention that windows does this too, for almost every task for system maintenance is done this way: press run+r, now type “whatever -command”.

        Anyways a moderately mainstream article and they are going to scare people away over something they did not need to do. Which after a year you would think they would have figured that out.

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          I agree for the most part. It depends a lot on what distro youre using, what DE, so on. But you can easily get by on gnome without having to use the terminal much if at all.

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            KDE as well. It is astounding how easy it is to use a modern KDE distro: everything has tips and hints get you to the setting you want. Even mounting shares is just click and mount.

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          The one I’m on has a very functional “search and install” app, but I still find myself habitually opening up terminal for installation out of “fastness”. Maybe it’s a poor impulse I should correct.

          Probably the biggest thing driving terminal use is opening and configuring system files. You can do that with the file explorer and an elevated text editor, but a lot of guides aiming for conciseness will give you some command to wget a long file online, then insert content into a text file by path in one line.

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      Oh for fucks sake, so much neckbeard energy here dismissing this guys personal experience.

      When you’re a new user and don’t know what the hell the native app store application is, which doesn’t have all the programs a person would want to use and install there, and when a new user goes to find their old windows apps that have Linux install instructions, what’s the first thing that they have there? Guess. It’s always find your flavor of Linux and the first steps shown are always terminal commands with sudo apt get or sudo dnf.

      That’s everyone first time with Linux until they learn more about it so get off your high horse and condescending gatekeeping attitude.

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        Gatekeeping, I hate that word. So useless. In this scenario the author is gate keeping saying all the linux system management is the command line. Its “exhausting”. Well bullshit. Let me say it again: BULLSHIT.

        It is perpetuating a myth. This is not true. They are gatekeeping the users who don’t want to because they are saying it has to be this way.

        Look, I like the command line, I get why sharing information is so much easier by providing a command rather than a wall of screen shots.

        Yet at the same time, my travel laptop over here, two years in, has never had to have “system administration” and package installation from a command line. Depending on the distro it simply is not necessary.

        The user has choice.

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          Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists, and you’re getting angry and calling them a liar instead of growing the community by teaching.

          The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads, and that’s part of the reason why people are turned off from even trying.

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            Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists

            Yeah, because people like this author keep repeating it.

            The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads

            Yet another annoying myth. Look, I am saying it with a bit of vitrol here, but its basically to the universe as the author (as far as I know) isn’t here.

            Could I be a bit nicer? I suppose, but they were so wrong, and using strong words like “exhausting” to describe a practice they don’t even have to do is annoying.

            I have gone back and read forums, from 10 to 15 years ago, just because I keep hearing: linux is so condescending and rude, and it wasn’t the way I remembered it, so I went to see. And guess what? Nothing but nice and friendly people trying to help each other.

            It gets old fast.

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      Na sorry, hes right.

      For someone who doesn’t spend every moment on their pc, its daunting and takes energy to learn and remember all of this just to make your pc run.

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        Keep in mind that changes are coming even if you stay on Windows or Mac or Android or iOS. AI in particular is going to require everyone to relearn everything in non-deterministic ways, so you end up begging the system to do what you want in new creative ways. Also, the UI will be radically reworked over and over. There’s really no way to avoid learning new ways to do things on an invention that’s less than 50 years old.

        Yes, it’s work that we don’t usually have the energy for, especially now, but the best we can do is look for a community to support each other through it all.

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          That is true and a large part of why I do love how linux mostly has stayed the same for 20 years in its basic form. I was able to apply a lot of the things I had remembered from years ago when I used it briefly.

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      Depends on your distro. Maybe on Ubuntu or Mint, sure. I’m running EndeavourOS, and it’s terminal or nothing. I’m fine with that, but YMMV.

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        I am running EndeavourOS and it’s possible to function without terminal. I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.

        Anyway can’t compare an arch based distro to Fedora or Ubuntu

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          I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.

          Didn’t you have to install that via the terminal? Discover store is not installed on EndeavourOS by default. You must have installed it and forgot.

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            They are both built for stability, Arch is built to be bleeding edge.

            None is superior to the other, that depends on the user, but an arch-based distro will require the terminal sooner than later, while you don’t need to touch it in Ubuntu.

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            Because Fedora and Ubuntu (Debian) have been around for forever? In my experience Arch also feels more like a your on your own kind of Distro which I liked back in the day (build one myself with an online guide), but now I just want my machine to run and function unattended besides the updates.

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      Why do you neckbeards constantly lie so aggressively about this? That post exactly describes every single Linux migration I’ve ever done. You WILL end up in the terminal at some point, and you will find apps and games that just don’t work well in Linux.

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    I switched months ago after some full screen pop up for Windows 11 took over my whole screen in the middle of me doing stuff. In a blind rage, i plugged my usb in and downloaded Pop. Did a full clean install and never looked back. There have been some hiccups, but nothing that couldn’t be fixed right away.

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    Yep. I’ve been during linux as my main desktop for maybe a year or two now, and it’s been fine. I don’t tinker with it. Most things just work.

    The only thing that’s been a little dicey is mods for games, but I think I just need to figure out how like wine and proton prefixes work. It’s probably not hard, I just haven’t had a need lately.

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      Not everything has to be 100% perfect - even Windows is not able to run all of my games. Most games run without problems and those games which make problems are mostly due to anticheat. It’s a perfectly reasonable solution to simply dual boot if you want to play Call of modern Warfare: DLC edition

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      The only games that don’t run nowadays I think are the ones that require installing kernel malware so you might reconsider playing them regardless of your OS.

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        Even some of those work, Helldivers 2 for instance. I usually check protondb.com to make sure if I can run the game if it does not have a native build.

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        I don’t have this problem; You probably are using TOR or a VPN and it triggered the captcha

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        No but I do get about three or four challenges. I can paste the article for you if it helps?

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        LLM-driven web scraping is intense for some sites, so their bot detection software is tuned in a way that creates a lot of false positives.

        Obscuring your browser fingerprint, or blocking javascript, or using an unusual user-agent string can trigger a captcha challenge.

        If you’re not doing that and seeing a site suddenly start giving your captchas then they may be being DDoS’d by scrapers and are challenging all clients.

        A site that archives content is especially vulnerable because they have a lot of the data that is useful for AI training.

        It is incredibly annoying, but until we have a robust way of proving identity that can’t be gamed by bad actors we’re stuck with individual user challenges.

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        Not every time, but far too often. They don’t seem to care that they’re discriminating against people with AV impairment, plus locking out some secure browsers.

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            Sometimes I’m able to get around it by tweaking some ublock permissions, but once I was surprised to discover that changing my user-agent with user-agent switcher seemed to do the trick. It’s really strange. Cloudflare’s captcha loops are inscrutable.

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    The Linux/Mac combo covers just about every computing requirement, even for corporate users. You do not need Windows unless you play competitive online multiplayer games.

    Me:

    Mac -

    • Music production software
    • Adobe software
    • Some corporate VPNs and VDI access required by some clients
    • Corporate MS software required by some clients

    Linux -

    • Everything else
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      Depends on what end of the corporate world you are working in. I do industrial automation, and there’s no way you are getting out of having a Windows VM at the very least.

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        For sure. I actually detailed our VDI setup in another thread. We use linux minipcs running VMWare and Win10 IOT LTSC VMs to connect to clients that require Windows or “secured Windows” where they install all sorts of bloatware.

        EDIT: I should note that the vast majority of our clients have since moved to VDIs, which can be accessed from Macs. Unfortunately, they mostly use Citrix and I have not found a way to get that citrix client to work well on Linux.

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        I mean, for that pretty much everyone uses Windows VMs on Windows as well

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      You do not need Windows unless you play CERTAIN competitive online multiplayer games.

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        or unless something cryptic breaks on Linux and no one on the inner net can figure it out.

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          I left Windows 15 years ago (still have to use it for work every so often)… I have yet to encounter something cryptic breaking on Linux

          When the things go wrong on Linux, which in my experience is rare, you are basically in Windows territory: reboot if you don’t know how to fix it or reformat/reinstall which is 10 times faster anyway

          Right now, my daily driver is a branch of a branch (Garuda Linux which is fork of a branch of Manjaro which itself is a branch of Arch)… it comes with KDE as desktop which is awesome but I felt like experimenting with Hyprland which is not even at version 1.0 yet… and I basically configured it from scratch myself… I also share this box with my son who does use KDE as his desktop which is actually not recommended (KDE Plasma and Hyprland in the same box, I mean)

          As per any advice you will find out there, this machine should be like the crazy robot in Futurama that explodes with no warning at any little thing and yet, it’s my daily driver for work, daily gamer for my son… rock solid and smooth… I have had 1 odd freeze I chose not to wait out and just rebooted the box in 9 months, and the freeze happened accessing Windows365 Desktop… go figure

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      They all have their drawbacks. If I could install MacOS on my laptop I would. But you can only install it on overpriced, irreparable, disposable hardware.

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        The right tool for the job is what I always say. Macs, especially on Apple Silicone, are next to impossible to beat for music production. The performance of those chips and the universal support from hardware and software manufacturers make it the best tool. What I find is that the number of scenarios in which Windows is the best tool is rapidly approaching zero.

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          Seems like an overpriced, irreparable, unupgradeable, and disposable tool would be the wrong tool but what do I know.

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            I get your point but the truth is that Apple’s M processors do a far better job than Intel and AMD processors do when it comes to this type of work. I started on Linux with Reaper and BitWig but the Macs performance was significantly better. Also, software and hardware support is key. All music gear manufacturers and software vendors support apple, including Apple silicone. You can run many VSTs through comparability layers but the latency is a huge problem and the alteady high CPU demands get exacerbated.

            I have been on Linux since very early days and have always been a proponent of it. Music production is just not an niche that is currently as well covered by Linux as it is by Mac. We need a Linux push in music like the one Valve did in gaming. If Abelton and Native Instruments went all in on Linux, I think much of the industry would follow.

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              I’ve been using my M2 Air to broadcast a radio show for the past couple of years. It’s basically flawless, even using an iPad as a virtual MIDI controller for some of the faders.

              I’m currently in the process of replicating the setup on my Linux PC, and fuck me, it’s proving an arsehole by comparison. I’m willing to accept that a good chunk is just me being far less familiar with the OS than with macOS, but it’s considerably less intuitive when it comes to things like hooking up virtual MIDI controllers and the like. I’ll get it sorted, but I won’t be truly happy that it’s broadcast solid for a few weeks yet, I don’t think.

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      Macs can also make a good home server because the m chips are quite powerful relative to their power draw

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        We tried. Unfortunately, M chips require ARM operating systems as VMs, and they perform very poorly.

        Linux servers are still the best option.

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    Linux can be intimidating. And there is going to be a learning curve. Especially if you’re the kind of windows user who’s familiar with gpedit and has custom .bat files.

    But what get’s left out is the joy and satisfaction that comes with learning how to Linux. I just re-installed my OS a week ago, and I was able to recognize and resolve dependency and permissions issues without having to look anything up. I also finally learned and started using rsync for backups over SSH/SAMBA. I know it’s not much, but it made me feel like a real hackerman.

    The only thing I learned in my last few years of Windows was how to disable features that annoyed me.

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      i was that person. i had custom windows isos to remove the bloatware and tweak it to my liking.

      its frustrating as fuck at first because linux does some things completely differently, it a way that does look weird as hell for power-windows people. i banged my head at it for a couple of years before i had that level of comfort again.

      but once you get the hang of it oh boy. it’s a blast and you ask yourself why you didn’t do this sooner. it truly changed computers for me and renewed my love for them, who would have thought computers can be so awesome when they aren’t enshittified.

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      I agree that the puzzle solving is a huge factor in my enjoyment of Linux, and is the same for friends of mine who hopped over. But sometimes I have to remember there are some people who despise puzzles and they are not going to have a good time.

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      bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE

      ok?

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        No. Bazzite is pretty good at one thing and that thing is gaming. If you want do anything else and there is no flatpack/appimage for it you’re shit out of luck, unless you want to ostree and thereby breaking the reason for using an immutable distro in the first place. That is the whole reason I tried and switched my main rig over to Fedora 43 KDE so I could at least use a normal package manager.

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            Well it started with my graphics driver for the AMD RX 6800 XT that cause compositor freezes on Wayland so my panels just froze for no reason, fix -> switch to X11.

            Browser was hogging an insane amount of cpu to just render Youtube, reason was the hardware video encoder was not enabled, tried to install mesa drivers and you can only do that with rpm-ostree (first breakage of immutable) spend two days debugging and flatpack overwrites to try and fix it to no avail, left it as is.

            Next wanted NordVPN because I’ve been useing their service for forever, no official flatpack so I needed to use distrobox which is a vm running on my machine with another os in it to run a simple program or use rpm-ostree to install the nordvpn normal linux package (second breakage).

            Has some issues with getting a network share to work, ended up having to make a script that mounted the drive on boot. My normal Linux distro just used fstab and it worked.

            Next issue installing Bambulabs software, appimage doesn’t work because it depends on gtk, rpm-ostree install number 3, it didn’t take so I gave up after a week of fighting the OS and just installed Fedora KDE Plasma.

            I’m not new to Linux, hell I’ve been on and off it since Fedora Red Hat 8.0 played around with enough Debian (Ubuntu) based distro’s as well. Three years ago I switch my working machine over to Pop_OS! had some issues but non breaking ones that I could always fix. Wanted to switch over my main home machine over from Windows 10 to Bazzite because that one is mainly used for gaming, but I wanted to be able to do other things with it as well.

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      I would think someone who is taking advantage of bat files would feel right at home with shell scripts in Linux, in my experience, shell was much easier to pick up than batch

      Batch is probably the same, but what always made me laugh about shell scripts is you could ask a bunch of people how to do something, and they’d all have a different way, it’s like there’s always a new tool to learn and try to fit into your workflow if you want, I love it

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        I think I agree with this. I believe that if you are heavily into group policy or a centralized registry it would be a harder conversion. But you can even “hack” bat files to work for both Linux and Windows depending on what launches it. I had to do that with a testing bot that I sometimes ran on windows, sometimes ran on Linux. It involves abusing the label system on bat (which translates to a command true which accepts no arguments on sh). Granted you are still writing both files but, using this method you can have the windows version of it on the same page as the bash version so you can go line by line instead of having a second file open