Pavan Davuluri says the rising cost of memory is why Windows 11 will use less RAM, with work on the memory manager, WinUI 3 and WebView2.
You gotta wonder who’s spreading this constant meme about Windows 11. I suspect they have hard coded backdoors into linux
Ah, my mistake, i missread. It “will” use less memory (like, maybe one day).
dude, windows uses paging even if it has a free bank of memory to use…i’ve seen it with my own eyes…it’s a complete trash OS…swaps like nobody’s business
If you’ve eg. a system service that allocated a whole pile of memory on startup, but hasn’t read or wrote it since, then copying it to swap during idle disk time is a good thing. If it does get used, then it’s still in RAM, and if memory pressure increases, then you can reuse it immediately because it’s already on disk, don’t have to wait to swap it out. You could give this functionality a catchy name like ‘swappiness’ so you could fine-tune how aggressively it’s done by setting the value in a file, too.
Doesn’t stop Windows being a trash OS, of course, but if I’ve allocated swap then I want it to be used for best system performance.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I mean, Windows has a lot of auto-loading bloatware that Microsoft could cut, but I really doubt they’ll actually have the balls to cut any of it.
If the average laptop people can afford can’t run windows, windows is going to change that. Because their entire business model.is being the default.
Add in all the bloat from HP and Dell too. It’s pretty bad.
Bullshit, Windows 11 uses more ram than any other OS I know of. It idles an entire gigabyte higher than Windows 10, it’s still worse than MacOS although close, and it’s nowhere close to Linux Gnome, Headless, or even KDE Plasma.
Unused ram is wasted ram.
RAM that’s hogged by windows is wasted RAM. It should be used by programs and for caching.
Technically, it is being used by about 30 more background processes than Windows 10 had.
Not when your system just booted and is idle.
“unused ram is wasted ram” is only valid when that memory is buffer/cache. Except the windows UI isn’t allocating excessive buffers or cache that can be freed under memory pressure or when an application needs it. It’s allocating actual memory pages for the JS rendering engine and other bloated vibecoded services.
Yes, Windows 11 uses a lot of memory now. The point is that they’re working on making it use less.
doubt
Oh it may well be true, doesn’t mean they will succeed.
Use lessUseless
Ftfy 🤣
Yes I understood that but I am arguing against the implication they made when they chose this specific language and connotation, so I am insinuating that it will still use more than every other OS unless they gutt all the adware and spyware.
Their first step should have been to disable all the data collection and „AI“. If they were actually serious about saving resources.
I can guarantee that windows 11 will use zero gb on all my devices
It seems like these assholes have a reason & a retort for everything these days…
Them working to improve the OS is like the good side effect of them investing into AI causing this whole dilemma.
It’s still time to abandon Windows though.
It will just hammer your ssd/hdd page file instead.
but I can rent ram, storage and computing from your datacenters right?
and I can use that for my economic productivity and get the rest for my free time and entertainment?
thank you lords
You bet your ass we’re gonna start seeing a bunch of “pc as a service” products hitting the market soon. Thin client with good wifi antennas and everything is just video streamed from infrastructure owned by Amazon for you to use like a good surf.
All it took was a RAM apocalypse for Microsoft ro consider improving performance in Windows. I’m seeing brand new laptops on display being sold as Windows 11 PCs with 4GB of RAM.
🤣 jfc
My friend bought one of those, paired with I think 64gb of EMMC storage which is basically an SD card. It couldn’t browse the internet really with Edge in it’s default settings. I had to disable so much crap but I got it usable with Firefox.
It would probably run best with that really stripped down version of ChromeOS
Nah, with 4gb you can get away with most linux distros with XFCE, and you could even do some indie gaming. Plus, using ChromeOS means you’re expected to have a network connection at all times (which makes things like using office suites locally a pain).
I’ve ran Puppy Linux off a 8gb flash drive on a system w/ 2 gigs of ram. It was by no means good, but it worked good enough.
Depends on CPU, would love to have access to hardware like this to play with to see what it runs. But I don’t want to buy it without trying it first.
$20 for a Compaq CQ45 or slightly newer on eBay…throw in a small SSD.
See my comments above as to what you can run with it. TL;DR a surprising amount
It’s hard for the younger generation to understand, but 4 Gb of RAM is MORE than enough for 99% of tasks if your software isn’t written by lazy idiots.
What do you mean every app is not supposed to be a dressed up web browser?
I still remember having a 4gb of ram on win7, and it’s enough for day to day tasks. The only thing that prompt me to upgrade to 8gb is games. It’s not too far ago MS recommend 16gb as a baseline for win11.
When the Raspberry Pi 3 first came out I was shocked how much it could do with less than a gigabyte of RAM (it technically has one gig but it shares it with the GPU). Linux is ridiculously lean when packaged right.
I have an Android tablet with four gigabytes of RAM that sometimes crashes running Firefox with multiple tabs, something the Pi somehow managed with a fraction the resources. Windows often struggled with eight gigabytes before I upgraded.
Raspberry Pi 3 first came out
I put Retropie on mine, the pi3b I think w/wifi, only emu that had issues that I wanted to use was the N64, everything else was butter
Yeah, I wish current devs would understand that I didn’t buy a shitload of ram for them to waste it. I bought it so I could have a shitload of things running at the same time. I currently have like 6 applications running and I’m using 20gb of ram ffs.
And they wish you to understand that you should be prepared to pay more for better optimised software, but you’re not. If it takes significantly more time AND more experienced devs to build native applications versus webview based, the cost of building native might be as much as 5x more, but you can’t raise the price and you won’t get any additional sales, because people may complain, but nobody would pay extra for better performance.
Is there some option where I can pay for an optimized version of Firefox? I certainly haven’t seen it. What about windows itself?
Nobody minded keeping things tight before ram got cheap but it’s suddenly a problem now that it’s expensive again?
WinXP ran quite nicely on 4GB of RAM. You could boot to the desktop in under 5 seconds if you had a solid state drive.
All the day to day tasks someone needs to do with their computers haven’t materially changed in the last twenty years since XP held the crown. In that time the speed of processors, storage, gpus, and ram has increased by literal orders of magnitude.
And yet, somehow, things have become much shittier since then.
Because what used to be a native application that used 200 mb of RAM now needs to be a web application built on top of a browser using 4 gb of RAM to do the exact same task.
I will honest to God pick fucking Eclipse over VS Code every single day, because at least it runs natively.
I’ve been using Geany, was that a bad choice in hindsight?
The “enlightened” will tell you to use whatever you’re productive with…
…but the real answer is “anything that isn’t written in Electron and has no telemetry”.
My xp laptop came with 512MB of ram. I’m pretty sure 256MB was typical.
For real, OP must have been rich. I ran Windows 7 on 1 GB well enough. It got slow eventually but I used it until 2016.
Heh. I have a core 2 duo (Compaq CQ45, circa 2010) with 4gb running Zorin Lite OS. For 99.99% for every day tasks (and then some) it runs excellently, with about 600-800mb in reserve before caching. We’re talking YouTube, LibreOffice, multiple Firefox tabs, GIMP…all it needed was a cheap ssd to replace the spinning rust.
For context: this thing struggles to run Half Life 2 at any sort of reasonable speeds (though that’s an iGPU issue to be fair).
Last glance this laptop costs $20AUD to purchase off eBay.
I’m right there with you. Not a single one of my daily use PCs is older than 2013.
“Force has no place where there is need of skill” - Linux (by way of Herodotus)
4GB should be plenty for any general computing. I used to run Minecraft servers on under 1GB of system memory for an entire school classroom. It worked pretty well back then too.
What a time to be alive.
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rising fuel prices push cooperations to make less hungry and more efficient vehicles.
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rising ram prices push cooperation to make less hungry and more efficient software
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For the whole system, or just the spyware part?
Yes.
All part of the goal of turning personal computing into cable TV by making everything web app SASS.
Or maybe create GUIs without a webbrowser underneath again? Or are your students not capable of anything but web tech?
