Marjorie Taylor Greene, a prominent Republican congresswoman and a staunch ally of Trump, suggested a return to “measles parties” for children. She criticized contemporary attitudes towards vaccination, stating, “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”

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    “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”

    It’s pretty normal to demonize parents who abuse children.

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    She thinks the measles are like chicken pox, pretty much harmless to young ones. My parents tried to get me sick in the 70s, that’s just how it was done before we had a chicken pox vaccine. Finally got it at 16, still have the scars nearly 40-years later. But I got my shingles vax!

    She’s literally this stupid. Some things we see these nuts try to pull off make sense, from an evil point of view. This move is plain stupid, and because we’ve forgotten what measles are people will listen.

    BTW, I’m 54 and just now learning what measles are and how bad it can be. I had no clue, because I’ve never met anyone that had it.

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      i had chickenpox as a kid, i remember the aveeno baths for it, we were set in the same room to “inonculate” the rest of the siblings. as there was no vaccine at the time. Chickenpox is quite severe for adults though. i did get shingles around 20yo though. theres is shingles to potentially turn severe, but its rare. shingles can cause meningitis, and encephalitis, as well as spinal cord damage.

      people who arnt sure about thier chickenpox immunity can ask thier doctors to do antibody titers(it doesnt detect dormant chickenpox in your ganglia though because theres no way to detect it outside of autopsy), your doctor maybe reluctant to administer the test though.

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        When my husband moved to Germany from Russia, he had no idea whether he was vaccinated as a child or not (he very likely was, but there weren’t records he was aware of and his mom died early). So he went to the doctor’s to ask for titers. They said they could test that but he would have to pay out of pocket, and offered to just vaccinate him again for free. He went through all the children’s vaccines - including chicken pox, which wasn’t around when we were kids (90s). It is the simpler, more accessible, and cheaper alternative to titers.

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          Thank you for sharing that — especially with it being personal information. Like your husband, I moved to Germany and cannot check my vaccination history — at least not easily, being estranged from my relatives. Coming from Spain and having been born in the late 90s, I very likely received all the usual vaccines. Still, I’ve been wondering what I could do about this for years. I will ask my Hausärztin sometime.

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        When my cousin had chicken pox my mom popped her finger in my cousin’s mouth, then popped that finger in my and my brother’s mouths.

        I was a kid in the 90s and while pox was already somewhat of old sounding word, it feels especially archaic to realize that kids don’t have to go through any poxes anymore.

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        I got chickenpox before the vaccination was a thing. It sucked. Then I got shingles a few years ago. That really sucked.

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      no, it makes sense. devaluing human life, and spreading the idea that sometimes the weak just die, with nothing anyone can do about it, is very much something they want to do. plus, burying your children is one hell of a sunk cost.

      that’s not to say she’s cognitively functional, but that’s why her masters won’t put their foot down.

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          Where I am, they won’t give you the vaccine until 50, unless there are good reasons for it.

          Having shingles at 37 wasn’t a good enough reason, and now (over 50) I have to argue with my GP that I am since I am immune compromised don’t want it a second time.

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    Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids

    They should have their skulls kicked in before even thinking of having children

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        Thanks, conservative Christians, for decades of public instruction in abstinence only, for cultural supremacy of purity culture (I’m thinking specifically of the early 90s/00s where churches were all teaching the same curriculum and so many of the hottest celebrities all said they were waiting for marriage).

        Knowing nothing about how relationships should work, how to navigate emotional problems effectively, or what red flags to look out for has sure made relationships and communities stronger, all across the country.

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    I was a kid when they were first developing the vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella (we called it German measles). So my brothers and I all got every one of them. I remember being sick with them, and with one of the measles types (don’t remember which) I was so sick I though I was gonna die. I’ll never forget lying there, even thinking of certain things made me puke (or dry heave) so I had to concentrate on not thinking of anything. I remember puking so hard it came out my nose. One of my brothers was so sick, his fever was so high, they took him to the hospital.

    Do parents really want to put their children through this instead of a shot? WTF

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      Long before there was a vaccine, I developed meningitis from a measles infection. Luckily my parents weren’t idiots and took me to the hospital. I ran a high fever, had febrile convulsions and hallucinated. Afterwards, I was over-sensitive to light for at least a week. Anyone who would inflict that on a kid belongs in prison or worse.

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      I assume it’s more about the parents high-fiving each other over really sticking it to the man or something. It’s just one of the results of rampant anti-intellectualism. The kids are just a random collateral in that circlejerk of those brake pads of evolution.

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        I don’t think it’s that. I think they’ve been brainwashed by anit-vax propaganda into truly being afraid of vaccines, combined with not understanding how severe these diseases are and how serious the consequences of not vaccinating can be.

        We need to make it a priority to teach critical thinking skills in schools.

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    i had no sympathy for anti-vax adults during covid, their choice to risk their lives. But children with basic vaccinations? their parents are taking the risk and the ones that didn’t choose are getting the consequences

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      One side takes the risk, the other side faces the consequences.

      Are we still talking about parents/children? Because that also applies to republican politicians/everybody else

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    Why are people debating measles vaccines again? The covid vaccine debate was stupid but I could kinda understand the concern there in comparison to this

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      The MMR (measels, mumps, rubella) vaccine is the one Wakefield was against. The OG of the vaccines cause autism movement.

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        The antivax movement goes back farther than Wakefield and the “causes autism” thing. That’s just when it became really popular.

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      RFK JR has OF COURse saying it isnt neccesary to vax against measles, he did only partially backtrack that by only adminstering 2000doses lol. remember RFK JR is the one that resulted in 86 children deaths in samoa.

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        What happened in Samoa? I assume RFK is that american health secretary that looks like he’s a demon in a human suit?

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          He went to Samoa and started demonizing the MMR vaccine to the point where a bunch of the island stopped vaccinating their kids.

          Then they had a measles outbreak. 86 kids died from it. RFK Jr refuses to this day to admit any fault.

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      Listen, a playboy bunny listened to her mommy instincts and came to the conclusion that vaccines caused autism.

      If that’s not proof enough that vaccines are bad then I don’t know what is.

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      Thanks to safety provided by vaccines, we are here to cancel said vaccines and empower people to kill their children by neglect and die on their own.

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      Anti-Science sentiment. Scientists are their enemy, so anything science is bad.

      'cept if they need it in particular

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    Just had a thought. What if we took a insignificant amount of the virus and injected it into people. This would allow them to develop antibodies so that if they do become exposed they are ready to fight it.

    Probably safer then just exposing people to the virus. Could also do it to enough people that it virtually eradicates the virus.

    Just an idea. We would also have to do a bunch of testing and have a bunch of regulations around it. Just to prove there isn’t any unwarranted side effects.

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        In his defense, in 1721 vaccines were really a new unproven technology. And if you don’t know it works, or even what causes diseases in the first place, it’s reasonable to be skeptical. It’s also reasonable to change your mind when you see it does really work.

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      I have a better idea. What if we take the genetic code of the virus, inject it into people and have their own bodies produce many more virus particles so they get a stronger and more targeted immune response? Who knows, someone could win an important prize for that.

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      I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. What a timeline to be in right now.

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      What if we took a insignificant amount of the virus and injected it into people.

      That’s called vaccination. At least, that was one of the original methods. You can use killed virus, weakened virus, a related virus that triggers the same immune response (for example, cowpox for smallpox), or a selected part of the virus that will trigger the immune response but is not capable of infecting you. The last is the most common method used now because the weakened-virus approach can go badly wrong.

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      Thanks to the magic of internet brain …

      Her initials being MTG I always think of the MTG ass crack meme and so she is forever defaulted as a hairy ass rack in my brain.

      That’s the image of her I have.

      Thank you.

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    They’re not going to learn until they’re charged and convicted of homicide.

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      To be honest. They not going to learn until we address the people who enable her. The useful idiots, the ones who promote her for their own gains. Psy ops.

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      Laws are not made for the rich and in line. Its made for us. We can complain all we want but we should be able to all see this pattern by now