Honestly this is insane to me given the Trump crowd skews much older.
Literally the generation growing up in the Cold War, having evil Soviets ingrained in them from childhood, and now Russia being happy with our policies doesn’t raise a red flag for them? Our President being pals with the ex-KGB Putin doesn’t mean anything to them? Hello??
It blows my mind. My family is all military in one branch or another, so they not only heard all the propaganda of the red scare but actually trained to fight Ivan…now they’re voting R and saying Moscow is right. Wtf happened to this timeline‽
Same story for my family.
I guess some people never learn from past mistakes.
The Republican brain just always does what it’s told, believes what it’s told, etc. It accepts whatever witches it’s told to hate and hunt and it requires fear to operate. It doesn’t care what it’s afraid of or whether its targets are logical or coherent. It just operates on orders.
I feel like the number of old boomer types to young white ‘alpha’ males is a little bit more balanced now in his fan base. Rogan-raised boys don’t understand or care about history.
I guess they like the red flag 🇷🇺
They grew up with the red scare and maybe they miss it. Sorta like after the fall of the USSR a lot of the older Russians missed the way things were under the old rulers.
Who knew it would be easier to conquer America than it would be to conquer Ukraine…
People that can see and think for themselves.
Note: this excludes a massive portion of US citizens.
Russia first tried to conquer Ukraine through political meams, but his puppet was removed in 2014…
I wonder if this will mean the eventual removal of Trump by the people, then attempts from Russia at trying to take back Alaska within the chaos.
step one. let them do it for us
Grand, just grand. Thousands of dead soldiers, women, and children and for what? For a dementia patient rapist asshole president puppet to just switch the US from a mildly so so hero country to a suspectable place that creates concentration camps and jails people in them permanently. OMG! And the Republicans are just thrilled to watch it all burn down. I don’t understand. None of this even makes any sense at all. Hello! Nazi=bad remember? You hang nazis, you don’t give them government offices!
US from a mildly so so hero country to a suspectable place that creates concentration camps and jails people in them permanently
Ok hold on a sec there, I agree these developments are awful but the US was never a hero country and has been illegally permanently jailing and torturing people for decades, besides all the couping democratically elected governments, murdering native people, not letting go of slavery, and so on and so on.
No, Putin has orchestrated the fall of the USA from a competent evil superpower to an incompetent evil large power.
You know what? I agree. I guess what I meant to say was that the US stopped being too open about our evil doings. Usually we mask things…the war on drugs, the civil rights movement acceptance. The Vietnam war was much more out in the open. Shock and awe and fucking 20 years of combat in civilian cities and encampments. The USA hasn’t really every been real nice. We just haven’t been evil openly. But now we’re doing it. We just had our coming out president. Hello world! You guessed it! We’re evil!
I don’t think Putin is an idiot. If he does like what Trump is doing, why would he say it and potentially make things harder for him? Putin must know that quite a few Republicans (whether they have the spine to say it or not) are at least uneasy about “aligning” with Russia. So why?
Is it a “whatcha gonna do about it” sort of power move? Is he trying to delay these “peace talks” because he actually wants to end things with Ukraine while Trump is effectively holding Zelensky’s arms behind his back?
No… like with Trump, his statements are for an internal audience.
With Zelenskyy saying the end of the war may be very far off, it looks like Ukraine is preparing to go ahead without US aid, rather than be pressured to give in to Russian ultimatums.
We’ll see if he can hold out if/when we lift our sanctions on Russia and start allowing the transfer of everything they need to rebuild their military hardware. Or even worse, selling them our own weapons.
EDIT: And now around three hours after I posted this, White House announces directive to drop sanctions. gg
I mean, whats the alternative? Unconditional surrender?
As I see it, here’s the 3 options:
Bend the knee to trump, give up your resources, and keep your country with no security guarantee worth a damn, just to lose your country later. And not just the lack of credible security guarantees, but specifically agreeing to never join the one alliance that would give such a guarantee.
Bend the knee to Putin, and just let Russia annex Ukraine fully, therefore avoiding a war in the unspecified future.
Go at it with or without US support.
If you were the leader of your country, how much of your land and resources would you give away in the pursuit of temporary peace, knowing that it is only temporary?
I didn’t say it was the wrong choice. Just that now it is more of an uphill battle than ever, perhaps with exception of the first month or so of the conflict.
Europe needs to step up and quickly.
Importantly Europe needs to step up before the US does.
I didn’t think you did. I was more continuing the conversation to point out that there is no alternative. Someone else replied to me with a great point about Churchill being in a similar situation as Zelenskyy during WW2.
It’s clear this go around, America is going to join the wrong side of history. That’s not a new thing, but it will be the first world war specifically where we are clearly are on the bad side. Typically America commits it’s atrocities in smaller skirmishes, and by destabilizing and taking advantage less developed nations for profit. That slavery habit does hard.
The world is fucked, and America is deciding whether to go through a civil war, or to let it be a “bloodless revolution” to quote the heritage foundation president. Europe is going to have to figure out how to defend in a post American world at best, or it’s going to have to figure out how to defend against America at worst.
Also, to your edit… Not just the end of Russian sanctions, but the full official cut of military aid to Ukraine. We’re witnessing the beginning of WW3. Hope we both make it through or that tensions die down.
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I never had the U.S. switching sides on my bingo card. I thought at most they would stop providing aid and support. Trumps policies were very isolationist in his first term.
I never had the U.S. switching sides on my bingo card.
I don’t know why anyone was caught flatfooted by this when it was clear to anyone paying attention that if Trump was elected, his plan to end the war was to hand control of Ukraine over to Russia.
This was as obvious and predictable as the January 6th insurrection.
Wait, really?
Dude holds a grudge like an absolute motherfucker, in addition to being a complete shitbag. He is vindictive as all fuck. The second the war started, my immediate reaction is “Putin is gonna drag this out till the election, and hope (read: influence the election so) that Trump wins”. Not to mention, officials in his first administration had to talk him down from leaving NATO multiple times, apparently. This whole thing was in the playbook from the get-go, imo.
He’s isolationist (or “evangelical”, or “a hawk”, or what have you) so long as it serves his interests - and I mean specifically HIS interests. He is a malignant narcissist. He does not actually care about anyone outside of himself
We don’t need to switch sides overtly for our hyena financiers and industry captains to make a buck trading with Russia, giving their war economy a sigh of relief which they desperately need.
It’s idiotic Canada has a bigger economy than Russia, EU has many many times bigger economy than Russia.
This is done for personal favors and it isn’t just hurting Ukraine it is fucking up US as well.
I don’t know what the logistics are but how do we start a fundraiser for this man?
It would piss trump off…
It would show the rest of the world there are still sane people in America…
It probably wouldn’t help much but if it’s anywhere near successful it will probably make an impact… And force trump to actually help
Someone needs to do this…
You know the saying, be the change and all that. If you think it’s a good idea you should go for it. I don’t know much about fundraising or web design but I would be willing to offer some kind of support, be it some time and energy or helpful resources/tools I am able to find for example. Maybe you can help in ways other than financially as well. We are the ones who need to do the things. The number of those willing to act and speak out against oppression and regression and the cults of ignorance and capitalism has been going down as a result of a concerted effort by very well funded groups and individuals. The sooner we act to pull folks out of the pipelines siloing them off into hateful ideologies (alt-right pipeline comes to mind for example) the sooner we can start the work, individually and interpersonally and otherwise, to end the cyclical perpetuation of harm forced upon us by the systems that we live under. Please feel free to reach out if you want support and resources for taking steps to make changes, and that offer is for anyone who is reading this and doesn’t know where to start and is acting in good faith.
How easy can it get…
Yeah I didn’t know about that one… But I was looking for something more in line of… I don’t support our idiot of a president and his actions so I’m giving this guy money in spite of him
Remember “Red Dawn”, back when we thought that Russia would try to take over the US with military might?
What a masterclass in asymmetric warfare that they’ve managed it with a few well placed memes
Well placed memes? There has been a massive, concerted effort to disrupt US politicsl perception since the 2000s, and only succeeded because tech billionaires were willing to play ball.
And they won on memes. Do you not see how social media influences us all? Hell, Mexican dude at work yesterday was talking about how Trump will lower our taxes. (He maybe makes $20 as a supervisor, I make $15 as a noob.) Imagine that. Really take a breath and think on it. Where did that idiot belief come from? Memes.
It’s crazy how people keep ignoring the troll issues and it’s driving me insane.
We know for a fact that there are ruzies going to office 9-5 to spread online propaganda and we kinda accept it as not a big deal? That’s straight up terrorism and no one’s talking about it.
Congrats, murica, you sure owned the libs
Confirming as a (non American) dirty immigrant LGBT lib, I have been owned.
Trump’s Oval Office tantrum signals the US is auditioning for a role in Putin’s entourage.
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It is our fucken duty to sabotage anything that tries to free the noose around Moscow’s neck. If they want to lift the sanctions we should lift their necks from their shoulders. Fucking kidding me? Remember McCarthyism? This is fucking batshit insane.
'MUЯIКAH!!
That tends to happen when you have successfully installed your puppet as the president of the United States.
Wasn’t that why they installed Краснов in the first place?
And trump won the dick sucking contest!
He’s still going for the world record
Is it me or is murican’s discourse lining up with “bringing democracy to Ukraine by force”?
Fuck this shit.
