In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Olympics testing sex means they will be testing women, and never men, it means they’ll come up with a test that requires different representatives of different competing nations to agree a woman doesn’t technically qualify as a woman despite her fully functioning uterus, and again they’ll be invasive and humiliating and poor countries will have twice or more disqualified athletes, they will go after women of color twice as hard, and the more extreme countries they send these women back to live in will treat these women horrifyingly bad.
In a way they do testing on men in sports all the time. They test for testosterone levels for one to see if the athlete is not utilizing Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs).
But I also haven’t read the article on the methodology they will be going to be utilizing.
Generally because the differences in male and female biology mean that ftm athletes are coming in at a disadvantage and only risk end up being hurt themselves by male athletes who generally have them at a disadvantage. Mtf athletes however, due to the aspects of male physiology that remain, have a higher likelihood of having an advantage over female athletes and also posing a danger to the other athletes. This is generally why most womens categories were introduced in the first place (female physical disadvantage).
Especially in martial arts and combat sports like boxing, which are already inherently dangerous, the physical safety of the athletes and protecting them must come above more ephemeral goals such as inclusion in my view.
As it stands with current day medical technology, there are limits to how close a transitioning individual can be changed to resemble the opposing gender.
Given how deep the differences are physiologically between the sexes with things such as lyonization I’m not entirely sure that it will ever be possible to fully transition a person outside of weird and ethically questionable future tech such as vat-growing a genetically modified clone and somehow transferring the consciousness of the person.
What are you talking about? This is not about transgender at all. For those you could require a birth certificate. This is targeting women that are born as girls but, due to genetic anomalies, do not appear as such on genetic tests. Many (most?) would never discover the genetic anomaly during their lifetime.
At least from what I’ve read previously, these rules changes are primarily related to incidents where female athletes have been severely injured when competing against mtf athletes - but it’s long been a contentious issue. As is often the case, when rules are changed/implemented they end up being broad and catching others in the crossfire.
It’s unfortunate that it’s ended up being necessary. However, there are many professions where people can’t work due to genetics or health (eyesight, cardiac issues etc.) and athletics in general is already a field highly affected by genetics. C’est la vie…
Again, mtf or any transgender issue can be solved with birth certificates. It doesn’t require genetic testing. Genetic testing is targeted at humans that according to all our traditional laws and practices are treated as female, yet may potentially be banned from female sports.
Some countries permit people to have the gender on their birth certificate changed after transition, which unfortunately renders your suggestion moot. Also from the wording in the article I think the testing will be applied to male athletes also.
Testing for chromosomes in this day and age is also quite simple and rather cheap. The main issue really is how privacy is handled. Personally I wouldn’t want to have to be subjected to a gene test for a job.
For Christmas’s sake, boxing is a combat sport. The whole point of combat sports is to incapacitate your opponent via violent means. Do you actually think safety is the real concern here? If it was, you’d think the focus would be on better equipment, rule changes, rule enforcement, etc., not the (largely irrelevant) existence of a Y chromosome in an athlete’s genome.
Do you actually think safety is the real concern here?
…yes, in fact combat sports are usually more safety conscious given that they constantly have to deal with the issue. One slip up and zip, someone’s dead.
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No both happen, people just have a much bigger problem when an assigned man transitions to woman.
Source?
I had a sex test done recently. The results were negative.
Genitalia: unremarkable
Hold on. Wait a minute.
It’s cold and I need fluffing.
Nice; how much sex do they need to have to pass the test?
It isn’t about the quantity. Its about the quality.
at least fifty thrusts
So like 5 theherk sex units.
Unlikely, but it would be hilarious if some self-proclaimed alpha male found out the hard way that he is in fact intersex.
And those tiny number of edges cases need to be highlighted to show it does indeed happen. With biology, there is rarely ever truely binary. Biology is too mushy.
Looks like I need to post this again.
Dang. It’s almost like determining someone’s sex is hard to do.
Thanks for sharing. I never seen it before.
Do you have a higher res copy that isn’t so difficult to read?
I don’t, but I can provide an article with the infographic included.
ok thanks for the pseudoscience.
Just because the words are too big for you to understand doesn’t mean what they’re describing isn’t real.
nice insult. because someone doesn’t buy the idea, it makes them unable to understand their native language above a certain grade level. lol ok then 👍
Because numerous people around the world have been using cutting edge research for decades to study these things, observing their effects in actual people, means that I honestly don’t give a fuck if you “buy the idea”. Your feelings, opinions, and armchair assessments on this topic are worthless.
When modern scientists accept new understandings of things that is the science
We’re not in the 50s anymore, we now understand more than we did then.
scientists accept a lot of things, doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with every single thing they say.
What specific element is pseudoscience?
the whole thing. you can make believe all you want though, i won’t stop you.
So, hormones don’t exist?
Intersex people don’t exist?
Trans people don’t exist?
And what, we’re all either 100% male or 100% female and there is never a grey area in biology?Don’t make the conscious decision to remain ignorant, you’re keeping yourself back.
i have my own personal beliefs on the matter, and i think everyone should be able to be who they want to be, but i do not subscribe to the notion of transgender people.
Yeah but that’s why they’re beliefs, and not science
So, you are arguing that SRY inactivation does not occur?
oh my god, your claiming that SRY inactivation dictates your gender? You don’t have that happen and it’s just “oh im not the sex im supposed to be” its well known condition thats VERY RARE called swyer syndrome. The treatment is estrogen HRT therapy for females. its a genetic mutation that is treatable.
Swyer means an XY female, as you are agreeing to now.
What is your definition for female?
a female is someone who is born with female parts, even if they are not developed correctly, don’t think you have a “gotcha” there. and again, i don’t know why you bring up swyer syndrome when it only effects 1 in 80,000 people.
They’re gonna discover the same thing they did in the Olympics that made them stop testing.
It was making people uncomfortable how many of them had the wrong sex assigned at birth.
Women and men who had lived their entire lives as one sex realized they actually had the chromosomes for the opposite sex.
What? Really? Didnt know this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_verification_and_intersex_athletes_at_the_Olympic_Games
The history of sex testing for sports is really interesting, for me it’s interesting because despite almost 100 years of the practice not a single “male imposter” has ever been found.
And I was mistaken. Like another comment on this post says they just stopped testing in men’s sports.
That is really interesting
I’m not sure how the WBO is still recognized as a legitimate operation. They’re horribly corrupt already and this is just another opportunity to fix fights rather than any commentary on current politics.
Just like penis inspection day in gym class
Ah good times. I wonder why coach needed to take pictures though.
The international rise of the Cult of Naturalism and the growing prevalence of their ur-eugenics pseudoscience is horrifying to watch. Like so many other actively harmful ideologies and policies I don’t see any non-violent solutions.
Athletes that are deemed to be male at birth, as evidenced by the presence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a difference of sexual development (DSD) where male androgenization occurs, will be eligible to compete in the male category.
Athletes that are deemed to be female at birth, as evidenced by the presence of XX chromosomes or the absence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a DSD where male androgenization does not occur, will be eligible to compete in the female category.
Oh wow. What’s social construction? *points*
Imagine kinda masculine looking female tests female. I want to see their faces
To an extent, I am okay with this. All it would take is one male beating the ever living shit out of a female for people to raise hell. I don’t see this as the males being afraid of the females, as much as boxing be afraid of the double standard consequences.
Woah dude you’re in danger of sounding like a bigot
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I care if a male fights a female about as much as I care if I get called a bigot or not. I don’t. I’m not a sensitive cuck like Trump or MAGA in general. I’m just sick of the fucking double standards for this shit. Not by the leagues, conference, division, whatever governing body. But by the masses. The US has already proven that that about 50% of the population are total morons. The masses are the ones that can’t handle male vs female in sports. If a female can fight males, go for it. Let’s do it and find the best. I just don’t want to hear shit when a male beats a female, or when a female beat a male…other than congrats and GG.
I’ve been trying to make “You’re a regular Imane Khelif!” happen (e.g. you’re a superwoman). Or “That hits like Imane Khelif”. Don’t let shitheads write her narrative, you care more than they do, so drop it if you get a chance.
If you pay someone to pass the sex test does that count as doping?
So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.
