Interesting to read these two topics back-to-back.
This got deleted , what was it
Kind of crazy to think people are using ChatGPT for such covert things.
This official didn’t just expose state secrets. They were using ChatGPT in the dumbest way I can imagine:
ChatGPT served as a journal for the Chinese operative to keep track of the covert network, while much of the network’s content was generated by other tools and spread through social media accounts and websites.
A journal. A freaking journal.
From a chatbot that is known to change text on a whim.
Are you people the must gullible people to exist? Open AI put this “report” out. Hmm, do you think there’s any motivation for them to show how useful their chatbot is? Especially regarding “national security”? Followed up by, no joke, a radio free asia source, known CIA mouthpiece. Reported on breathlessly by cnn.
Like. This is the most obvious fiction.
It sounds like you’re demanding a level of proof that’s basically impossible to provide to you.
What do you think is more likely?
- This is a high level conspiracy between multiple parties to make one Chinese official look dumb, or
- ChatGPT attracts dumb people, who exist worldwide
- OpenAI has identified that ChatGPT has being used from networks associated with CCP headquarters, and fabricates a plausible story for the press to show how useful their data can be for US military intelligence.
The timing of this news story is too good to not be an attempt to get hold one of those Pentagon contracts Anthropic has been offered (and might lose), with all means necessary.
Regardless of the actual truth, I am just curious about the overall optics of this. Why would OpenAI (implicitly) admit that they are spying on their users, and show that they are willing to share it with the press?
Most arguments for surveillance (and all authoritarianism) boil down to either saving the children or fighting an eternal enemy. Obviously OpenAI does surveil all its users, but the “for the children” argument would hurt their user numbers (I wanted to say it would hurt their profits, but they don’t profit off of any user). Thus, it’s “but China” instead.
regardless of truth, OpenAI spends a lot of effort in data mining on its users, and is eager to amplify warmongering narratives that US establishment is committed to.
Holy strawman.
This is a high level conspiracy between multiple parties to make one Chinese official look dumb,
No it’s a standard propoganda run, run through the most standard propaganda mouthpiece (RFA) to spread propaganda about China? Are you being dense on purpose?
If it turns out you’re a tankie (your comment history suggests it’s likely), you’d also believe that propaganda can be both true and good, so I don’t see your point.
I see dumb American military officials using AI, and trying to do a cold war to boost corporate AI stock prices, every single damn day. If you don’t think there’s one dumb military official in China too, I don’t know what to tell you.
Tankie is when you’re Chinese apparently.
It’s just not believable that they’d be using chatgpt in government over the Chinese alternatives. I very much believe their probably are people using/abusing chatbots for dumb stuff. But this specific story given the details and time it’s “come to light” is just so obviously fabrication for altman to show what a good boy he is and pushing his bot for American defence contracts.
Your original comment was a clear badfaith strawman.
Okay, so you do believe it’s a conspiracy between multiple parties to manufacture a lie to get onto CNN. That’s just your position. No strawman needed.
I agree that Sam Altman is probably trying to deflect from all the (well-deserved) bad press he’s getting right now… but if he was going to make up a story, it should have been closer to when he got caught helping teens kill themselves.
As someone who hates tankies for being imperialist simps for capitalism with a communist flag, people like you are honestly more annoying right now. It’s like American liberalism imploding made you adapt every shitty trait of tankies because now you’re the ones on the back foot.
It really just confirms to me that the two ends of the horseshoe were really liberals and Marxists, not Marxists and fascists. You both have republican states which promise great things that they never quite delivers on. You both ignore that every state is fundamentally driven by geopolitical “realism,” and that ideology can only bend away from fascism when it can justify the move as being in the system’s interest. You refuse to seriously interrogate the ideology, probably because you really, really, really want a team to root for.
I’m not even gonna claim that there is some mythical sweet spot between two extremes, as they aren’t really at opposite ends of a spectrum. I just want people to open their eyes more, even if they still continue in whichever camp they started.
You are continuing to just engage in bad faith. All the best.
No, I’m perfectly willing to accept information when the evidence provided suggests the conclusion.
But examining the conclusion and insinuations and then examining the claims and the sources with the knowledge of US actions and motivations, this is just garden variety lazy lies.
There isn’t any evidence that a Chinese official actually did this just claims from a chatgpt investigation.
I’m perfectly willing to accept information when the evidence provided suggests the conclusion.
The evidence provided does suggest the conclusion. You just apparently distrust the source along nationalist lines. Predictable but unfortunate.
The Pentagon is in a standoff with another prominent AI company, Anthropic, over the use of its AI model. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has given Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei a Friday deadline to comply with demands to peel back safeguards on its AI model or risk losing a lucrative Pentagon contract
Do you think that this paragraph from the article might be relevant to open AIs “report” (which is not released as part of this article)? Do you think there’s maybe a reason to be suspicious about their capability in reporting about “high level” Chinese administrators?
What evidence? It’s just a claim from a CEO with every incentive to lie.
The Chinese law enforcement official used ChatGPT like a diary to document the alleged covert campaign of suppression, OpenAI said.
:-/
The report comes amid a battle between the US and China for supremacy over AI.
The Pentagon is in a standoff with another prominent AI company, Anthropic [a major OpenAI rival], over the use of its AI model. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has given Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei a Friday deadline to comply with demands to peel back safeguards on its AI model or risk losing a lucrative Pentagon contract.
Sam Altman is so fucking thirsty right now.
Open AI knows their models have no technical edge over Chinese ones, so their only recourse is to fight dirty. Own all the hardware so people can self host their competition. Make using their models a matter of patriotism against those evil commies, cornering the US market like the car companies (who can’t sell their crap internationally because they never innovated). Leverage as much venture capital as possible to capture the market before the hype dies.
Cant help but feel someone has a huge incentive to claim that their bot has chinese state secrets.
Can’t wait for the tankies to chime in.
Ironic as I put all of my deepest darkest secrets into deepseek
Everybody knows OpenAI is where you open up about stuff. That’s why they named it that, right?
