• eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    One more lie under oath about young women on the way out, just for old times…

    Aww Bill it was good wasn’t it? Now please go away

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    So, he lied, as expected.

    It’s okay if you lie to Congress about this one subject, and several others. They don’t really want to know. They’re just trying to get re-elected. This is one more reason we need term limits for Congress.

    • Lumisal@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Doubt he lied about the second part at least. He probably did make sure all the ones he was with were at least 18. Considering that Trump’s admin has the Epstein files, they’d totally run him over if they had evidence otherwise, and they definitely could easily know if he lied or not on that. He knows they don’t, that’s why he testified.

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        3 months ago

        Epstein was pretty careful not to talk about actual crimes in a way that would have been recorded. There are numerous instances of him saying they need to take a conversation offline.

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      3 months ago

      Since when has associating with somebody been a crime?

      You can have dinner with your neighbor and not be in trouble when it’s discovered he’s a serial killer. Hell, you can dinner with somebody you know is a mob boss.

      It’s when you’re involved in the actual commission of crimes (including covering up crimes, or in various cases but reporting your knowledge of a particular criminal act) that it becomes an “go to jail” type issue.

      That also doesn’t justify hanging out with repugnant criminals from a moral perspective, but moral and go-directly-to-jail criminal actions are not the same thing.

    • MJKee9@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Depends on what you don’t know and when you didn’t know it.

      All crimes have requirements. Most crimes require that the person “know” or “intendted” to engage in the criminal behavior. Sometimes the knowledge requirement is subjective, but mostly it’s objective…i.e. what would a reasonable person have known under the same circumstances. Which means that being drunk or otherwise impaired is rarely a defense to a crime requiring knowledge or awareness. A notable exception is statutory rape of a minor in the US; you can legitimately think they are of age when you screw… But if they are a minor it’s rape regardless.

      The knowledge requirement pertains to factual knowledge of the circumstance (i.e. you reasonably knew the property wasn’t yours when you took it). Ignorance of the law is not a defense. Everyone has implied knowledge of every law as soon as it’s codified. Fuckin’ bullshit, especially the younger and poorer you are.

    • Retail4068@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      It wouldn’t shock me to find otherwise, but Clinton seems smart enough to have kept it to ‘day of 18 year olds’. Lots of similar language as the impeachment and seems to be toeing the same line.

        • Lumisal@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          Yeah, but he knows that’s harder to prove in court (that he knew). He’s doing this as a game of chicken against Republicans - he knows he’s in the clear for the pedo charges, but if they try pushing further on the trafficking one, he can start calling names into court to also testify under oath. Names like Trump.

          He’s also a malicious person, but he’s not brain dead stupid like Trump either. This is his political play to clear his name and to not be associated with pedophilia primarily.