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SHOULDSHOULD NOTSHOULDSHOULD NOTSHOULDSHOULD NOT be at War!-Free Thinking Republicans who Voted for Trump for Peace!
They’re MAGAs, they are always pro-war, no matter they claim.
He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”
Then came the line that quickly sparked reaction online:
“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all because we don’t need it.”
It’s Iran’s terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked…
But I really think he’s getting pressure from Christian extremists to abandon Israel. Their endgame was always Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon and rapture Christians.
If no one joins against Iran, trump will likely try to slink away and Bibi holding the bag.
The Christian leaders also see their parishioners spending all their money on gas, on the way to church, instead of on tithing.
Man I am so fucking ready for the Nationalist Christians to become huge fucking pariahs as a direct result of all of the idiocy that they’ve been pushing
Nationalist ChristiansamericansChristian Nationalism (fascism) is on the rise globally.
Because less than a dozen humans with more money than god control the global media.
I know americans aren’t great at understanding the basics of the global political field but calling Christian Nationalism fascism is extra ridiculous
Alright High and Mighty my point with putting fascism in parentheses was mostly to say that what we are dealing with globally is Fascism. Just that where I am it has presented itsself as Christian Nationalism.
Wrapped in the flag carrying a bible and all that.
Its why they are so terrified of James Talarico. Because he is everything they are pretending to be and stands a real chance of breaking the masses illusion that American Christian Nationalists are either Christian or Nationalist.
They are neither. They are fascists only loyal to their leader. Not to their God. Certainly not to their country.
High and Mighty thanks you for providing an explanation, which was definitely needed here.
And fascists have a well established pattern of disguising their ideology as something else.
the OG’s have somewhat given that name a bad reputation.
If they would call it the fascist Party not event he bulk of the awful people who have the same awful views would vote for them.
Not many would say of themselves they are fascists, like assholes won’t say they’re assholes.
That would be too confronting since they know it’s wrong. They choose to delude themselves.
looks like the imperialist childkillers are butthurt.
Quick, more cowarldly downvotes!If you insist.
by then the world may be literally cooked.
Oh boy do I have terrible news about runaway climate change
It was 80 degrees here yesterday and its snowing right now as I type this.
And this is the best our climate will be for the rest of our lives 🙃
we had roughly the same (only with a non-oppressive temperature scale). Last night I had to toss snow onto my driveway so i wouldn’t have a sheet of glare ice where things had previously melted.
And he threatened NATO, who by all his accounts “stood back from the front lines” When Article 5 was called during the bullshit second Gulf War. And now he DEMANDS they help. Sure buddy.
NATO: “Get Le Fucked”.
The rest of the world is outraged about the pedophilia.
I just love the quote:
So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding…
He starts with needing help, starts to say he just really wants it, then pivota to demanding it.
The fact that he went thru those steps shows how much pressure he’s facing.
His two biggest wings of influence has been Israel and American christo-fascists, if they start pulling him in opposite ways, he can’t hold onto both.
He’s fucked, but so are the rest of us by extension. Hopefully just till midterms at least.
I feel like it is more basic than that.
I think his quote transitioning from asking for help to demanding others “step up” just reveals something he was taught early on—“never show weakness”.
Along with “never admit wrong doing” and “deny ‘til you die”, if you just set a simpleton up with a few basic, immoral, rules and hundreds of millions of dollars, you get Trump.
The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population, voting him in once was one thing, but not dealing with Jan 6 harshly under Bidens administration did nothing more than encourage them and their billionaire backers. IF there’s no false flag operation to cancel the midterms and IF presidential elections are held and the democrats get into power, you lot are going to have to overhaul your entire system to ensure another Trump doesn’t happen. And honestly speaking I can’t realistically see that happening.
The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population
No problem.
To put it bluntly I don’t expect Americans to understand our political system, so I’m not surprised when foreigners clearly don’t. Shits complicated and nonsensical
I just wish more would ask questions instead of sharing uninformed opinions as facts, but maga thinking isn’t reserved for Americans…
In the age of misinformation and people using influencers and podcasters as “news and information” it’s become the norm unfortunately. I tend to try and get as broad a view as possible and filter out the bullshit. And admittedly I don’t understand the PAC system or the electoral college, and I can’t condone lobbying as we’ve seen it’s detrimental effect on general rights to Americans as well as pushing policy. Again, these don’t affect us as foreigners, but they tend to push certain policies that end up with wider reaching effects.
considering the state of mainstream american news, pretty sure those listening to “influencers” are better informed. especially as far as iran/isreal/american imperialism in general is concerned
or the electoral college
That’s the part that’s relevant…
Whether a state goes 51% of 100%, counts the same.
This leads to depressed turnout and obviously no elections being on “all Americans”. Most of our votes for president don’t matter because most states go one way or the other.
Whether a state goes 51% of 100%, counts the same.
While the Electoral college has it’s own major issues. Awarding of the votes is done because 48 State Legislatures believe all the votes should go to the winner. Maine and Nebraska award their vote on a semi-proportional system. A true proportional system would go a long way of addressing some of the major issues such as a someone’s Presidential vote being utterly meaningless. A Republican in California or Democrat in Idaho. (https://electoralvotemap.com/which-states-split-their-electoral-votes/)
This is the problem when people say “Vote Blue”. Sure voting Democrat/Republican for US House or lower elections does matter, Senate and Presidential elections? If you live in a Red State, a vote for the Senate or President is completely meaningless in having a say of who gets elected.
Sure, states flip from red to blue and vice versa. However, that only happens if Parties really invest in that state to change it. Parties don’t have unlimited funds, they pay attention to swing states which would have a better return on investment.
It’s the inherent flaw of first past the post/winner take all style of voting.
That’s rather f’ed up.
The PAC system is legal bribery with the added bonus of the public being unaware of who is doing the bribing.
Nations use it to “influence” our representatives, from Israel to Saudi Arabia; the USA is open to all interests with enough cash involved.
Corporations and billionaires also prefer Super PACs, as what they actually want can be very unpopular publicly (like keeping minimum wage down to seven dollars an hour).
So, for example, if your (the briber) position is right wing, you contribute to the R party; if the R party won’t accommodate your position for some reason, the Ds will (but it will cost you a lot more); if your position is left wing, you contribute to the D party; if the D party won’t accommodate your position, the Rs will (but it will cost you a lot more).
With enough money, you can actually change the major parties political platform. See the history of unions, for example. The Democrats were once the “labor party”, when unions were 40% of the workforce in the 1940s. Over the decades, it’s now down to 10%. Or “state’s rights”, the Republicans position for many decades. Now, today they are all about flexing federal power.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what the American voters actually want at any time.
Electoral college? Oh dear God I won’t even try to explain, it’s different for every state (like a province, and there are 50).
Ah yes, the entire US population has the power to do those things. Literally every person, including children.
Why is the entire population of Russia cut off from SWIFT?
The Palestinians seems to be judged en mass, or doesn’t that count?
It’s weird you’re trying to make this argument against the people who are also against doing that to the Palestinians…
you still think voting will get you out of the fascism you invited in?
Invited in? I didn’t invite any of this in. Not by my vote, not by my letters to government officials, and not by my protests.
It’s a generalization… “you” as in “Americans” voted this in TWICE!
both asscheeks of the uniparty are at fault for creating the circumstances
I’m sure the world is very interested in whether you invited him or not, just as much as in who in Russia did or didn’t vote for Putin.
Thank you
Maybe if people actually showed the fuck up it might. But there’s so many “voting doesn’t do shit” people that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
you are not wrong… but I was referring to the pedo president sabotagging elections… if he is OK comitting the country to war to cover his past crimes, cancelling elections would be a walk in the park
The way I see it, there are 3 choices.
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Vote (effectively). If you still have a glimmer of hope that things can be changed for the better, you need to be doing this. Job one is to keep republicans out of power, vote for whomever is going to beat them. Job 2 is to push Democrats further left in the primaries. Mamdani showed us that this can happen, reluctantly at first, but the party will respond to its voters. Key word there is “voters” if you don’t vote, they don’t know about you, and won’t give a fuck about you.
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Disruption. I can’t in good faith call for violence, but if you genuinely believe it is impossible to fix the system by voting, you need to be in the streets disrupting day to day operation of the system that oppresses you. Protest, strike, squat, whatever you gotta do, but you can’t do it halfway. If you aren’t literally ready to fight for your life then, this option isn’t for you.
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Do nothing. You can just sit around and bitch about things. Whatever happens is (almost) equally your fault as it is the people who voted for it. You’ll end up against the wall just like the other two groups, but it will take the nazis you left the door open for, a little bit longer to get around to you. I’ve got no respect for the people in this group, no one should TBH.
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Do you really think “voting” will, for example, bring about real change, like universal healthcare?
Over 70% of voters want universal healthcare, as polls have demonstrated for over THIRTY YEARS. It doesn’t matter.
Think of voting as participating in a poll or something, like voting for your favorite “American Idol”.
It won’t actually change the show, it’s just part of the entertainment.
i’ve been loudly condemning trump for well over 10 years, losing relationships with friends and family because of it. I didn’t “invite” shit, and i accept zero responsibility for the bullshit fascist…whatever the fuck you call this place now. this country is full of fucking racist brainwashed sheep and/or just plain gullible morons.
agreed… sorry you are caught up in the generalization
Of course not. If the first move on a chess board was to simply take your opponent’s king, that would always be the first move in every game.
Having the midterm vote suppressed is just one sacrificial pawn in the direction of what needs to be done to eradicate fascism.
Knowing what to do isn’t that valuable if you don’t time it correctly. It’s not just one person or party. It is systemic and requires a critical mass of history to be successful.
hmmm with every erosion of your civil rights and liberties, the job of getting the pedophile president out is just going to be harder and harder… you don’t need to wait until the last possible recourse is an actual assassination.
It is beyond my understanding how nobody seems to be actually calling for a General Strike in the USA… and the feeble attempts at marches (which are good) are specifically called far apart and on weekends to ensure they can simply be ignored by the regime
General Strike in the USA
FYI, this is somehow illegal in the USA.
so?
Obligatory reminder that the US is geographically monstrous and organizing a nationwide strike of enough people would be extremely difficult to pull off. We’re also extremely tied to our employment for little luxuries like healthcare, and we have very weak worker protection laws, and right now seems like an especially bad time to lose your job protesting for the sake of the half of the country that absolutely loves what Trump is doing, whether they admit it openly or not.
Obligatory reminder that losing democracy, civil rights and liberties is going to suck 100 times more… the more you wait, the worst it will be for you
There’s plenty of local calls for a general strike, but the media (social, mainstream, all of them) are actively squashing it because they’re owned by the billionaires who are the true benefactors of fascism.
Plus the fact that close to 60% of us would just be flat broke if we miss a paycheck, it’s not an easy hill to get over.
While I do understand the difficulties, I think you keep underestimating how shitty it will be to become a functional slave under fascism with no civil liberties or rights.
Yes, being broke is a problem… getting killed for not addressing a cop as “sir” sucks even more
The more you wait, the harder it will be
The news did a very effective job of nullifying the No Kings protests. Hard to get a unified movement in a country larger than Europe going when it doesn’t even get on the nightly news.
Waitasec, I’m no expert, but I thought the whole Rapture thing required all the Jewish people to be gathered into one place first. So, they literally require every Jewish person in America to be deported to Israel for their whole process to even begin.
Did I misunderstand something?
Did I misunderstand something?
Yeah, the fact that the Rapture is 19th-century snake-juggler fanfic which has no biblical basis besides insane free association based on a few ambiguous phrases here and there. Also, the guy who wrote Revelation was definitely mentally ill and obsessed with revenge.
You know that the Revelation is a political pamphlet, right? It’s actually amazing that it got included in the canon.
Sure. But it’s legitimacy is irrelevant so long as they believe it, which they do.
I think the point is if what they believe in is a string of randomly connected bits of fiction, it’s not too much of a leap to think that they would omit or include a new bit of fiction to fit whatever the situation currently is.
I’d say the provenance of those beliefs is relevant, since it tells you what kind of rubes we’re talking about. A 2000-year-old religion is one thing, even if its foundational beliefs are mythical. Some half-assed bullshit cobbbled together by a gaggle of late-19th-century and early-20th-century hucksters doesn’t even have the excuse that at least they built a few cathedrals, wrote some good music and did some good paintings, along with all the life-denying superstition and oppression.
The guy that wrote Revalations was more than likely in the throws of ergot poisoning.
He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”
Sure, you fucked up everything, but other countries have to resolve the situation that you created.
Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon
Well then they haven’t really studied the Bible properly if they think it refers to just Israel, literally. Israel is used frequently as an all encompassing term to refer to the ‘church’ as a whole, so all Christians.
Not specifically the country.
No…
But great job assuming that reading a single comment about it somehow means you know more about it than what the comment contained.
I legitimately only know a handful or so of people that overconfident in themselves.
Not sure why you took that in a hostile manner when no hostility was intended.
It wasn’t really directed at you and I only took a part of the statement (which I’ve heard a lot from different sources) to make that observation.
Edit: A shame that text doesn’t adequately convey tone. No ill will my friend.
What a great rebuttal, a no followed by a condescending insult.
hey POS so I’m banned for writing facts and you blocked me as well?
What a fucking loser.
Nazi bootlicking scumbag
Trump is a moron and so are his supporters. It’s a moron horde.
Never underestimate idiots in large numbers.
5/4ths of them don’t even know math.
Pfft that number’s a bit low, has to be more than half of them.
Morde.
Verbal diarrhea from a moron who’s nown gone senile.
Duh, ya think?! Ya idjit
Further evidence that his brain is like a rotten squash and he has no fucking idea what’s going on around him, as he’s manipulated by slimebags like Netanyahu and Putin.
Is he really manipulated? By outside forces? His cabinet and the rest of the GOP and hundreds of all american evangelicals, not to mention the tech oligarchs seem to be very happy with his ideas.
They’re happy because there’s money to be made.
And Trump is manipulated. Since he’s so feeble-minded, and never was intelligent, it’s now by the last person he spoke to. So whoever schedules his calls has huge power.
never was intelligent
He was less stupid decades ago than he is now.
Edit: added italics
It’s almost like he only joined in on the war because Israel was instructing him or something.
because Israel was instructing him
because he wanted us to stop talking about his trips to Epstein Island to rape children.
Israel may have pushed him but daddy Putin green lit it.
Why would Putin want his proxy state attacked?
Oil scarcity could encourage dropping Russian sanctions?
That’s a BINGO!
Putin was in the driver’s seat for Trump’s first term, which is why there was no attack on Iran during that time despite it being stated Republican policy for years (McCain was literally singing about it during the 2008 campaign.)
Putin’s got his hands full this time around, though. Trump will still do him favours whenever he can, but he’s got other handlers with more influence now.
I don’t think every terrible Trump decision can be laid at Putin’s feet.
There are plenty of other folks pulling the strings too.
We are supposed to have checks and balances for this shit, but sadly that ship sailed a long time ago.
Someone dared to give the fuhrer the casualty and dammage reports?
Damn Biden!
Senile
I dislike hom as much as the next guy but what he meant is very clearly not what the article implies. Baitclick
Yea it’s misleading. Probably on purpose
Reading the article, it sounds to me exactly as the headline implies. So tell me, what did he actually mean then?
That the US could live well, while the strait is blocked. He never meant to say “i shouldnt have started the war”
Which is also a delusional statement.
Dealing with the strait should be up to Europe and the Middle East. Not about the war.
He seems to have learned about his wrong ways in the past. And that’s probably why he wants to attack Cuba next (attack militarily, economically it’s under attack for 60 years)
It makes it sound like we shouldn’t be there waring. He means we shouldn’t be there as an ally…at all…over the past decades from the context of the whole statement.
Every so often the truth comes out and it’s shocking AF when it comes from there.
