“Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier,” Zelenskyy said in a Telegram message early Saturday.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy defiantly declared Saturday that his countrymen “will not give their land to occupiers,” after Donald Trump suggested that a peace deal would include some “swapping” of territories with Russia.
“The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the constitution of Ukraine,” Zelenskyy said in a message on Telegram early Saturday. “No one will and no one can deviate from it. Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier.”
His comments came after Trump announced on Truth Social that a long-awaited meeting with Vladimir Putin had been scheduled for next Friday in Alaska.
So, which part of USA territory is Trump willing to give up? Well, if the answer is none, that much of land is Ukraine willing to give up.
I’m sure he would happily give up Alaska to his Russian buddies
As he should.
Fuck trump. Fuck Russia. Slava ukraini
I think a swap is a great idea. Zelenskyy should ask for St Petersburg and Konigsberg for Donbas and Luhansk.
I wish people understood better the monster that is Trump
“He invented the Art of the Deal”
The Art of the Deal was ghostwritten and Trump had little to no say in it outside of “Make me look good”
“But he’s still good at making deals, that’s why he’s so successful.”
His secret to success was a refusal to pay his workers and contractors, knowing it’d be more expensive to sue him for stolen wages than it would be to just work pro-bono.
“But he’s a businessman!”
He played one on TV for the show “The Apprentice”, but in reality most Trump ventures have a track-record of going bankrupt. Running for President is the one thing that’s gone well for him, this is because we live in a fucking clown show and God is dead. God perished in a tragic fire that claimed the lives of Santa Claus, The heavily bosomed maiden who invented pizza, and any reason I have to think it will ever be okay again.
In short, Trump isn’t good at making deals. His only move is to tell people to eat shit and like it, and exploit legal loopholes, corrupt lawyers, and a system that favors the rich above all else to make it happen.
In a just world, Trump would be a cautionary riches to rags story.
I see the child rapist is having his delusions again making up stories.
Russia gets everything east of Moscow, Ukraine gets everything west. We can build a wall down the middle of Moscow to show it.
That’s why it’s called the Art of the Deal baby
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So trump thinks it’s about land mass, and not the people living there. Gotya.
Trump doesn’t understand the concept of “people” beyond mechanical tools that do what he says.
Not a lot of people living in these territories remaining, on account of the continuous warfare. Hundreds of thousands not in active military have been refugees for years now.
Furthering complicating things are the number of residents who were killed in the conflict. They don’t get their land back under any conditions.
I see a lot of “If I was in Ukraine, I’d go down fighting” shitposts on the sub. But all the Reddit Commandos who thought they’d win one for the gipper went out in airstrikes back in early 2023.
The only westerners still engaged with this war are treating it like a sportsball game in extra innings. They don’t care about the death toll. All they care about is the territory.
It’s the same brain rot that’s got Israelis obsessed with punishing Gaza for October 7th, except the Ukrainians aren’t “winning”.
There’s lots of people living in occupied areas that the Russians took in the first few days. The regions that have been fought over for the past 3 years … yes you’re right… No much remains there.
If I was home invaded and a cop showed up right at that moment and the solution was…“I’ll let the home invader leave your house, but only if you give him your television.”. I am Ukraine, the home invader is Russia and the cop is trump. What a debacle!
If I was home invaded and a cop showed up
Of course that’s going to make things worse
Yeah, in this scenario, you’d be lucky if the cop doesn’t arrive 3 hours late and shoots you.
Incidentally, that’s the US policy for the Middle East
Wait, isn’t there an arrest warrant for Putin? The US would ignore it to talk to him in Alaska?
This whole USA diplomacy is fucking whack. Lots of confusion on what, why, where.
First, after Witkoff dialog in russia, Trump told European partners that there would be exchange Kherson/Zaporizhzhya (russia moves out) to Donetsk/Luhansk (Ukraine moves out).
Then next day Witkoff says russia is not planning to retreat from anywhere.
Next day, EU leaders demanded a call with Witkoff, where he confirmed the deal is “Ukraine moves out of Donetsk in exchange to ceasefire”.
Fucking clowns.
zelenskyy is my main double y guy
Europe did a deal with Trump hoping he will continue to support war in Ukraine. I am sure they are feeling vindicated now.
There’s a caveat though: the president of the European Commission did a deal with Trump, but her position doesn’t give her that power. There are two outcomes of this: European politicians says “so what?”, or they pretend they don’t like the deal to look good but accept it nonetheless as if they didn’t have a say in it.
That’s her art of the deal knowing nothing she says is binding but it strokes the baby emperor’s ego.
I just hope they ceasefire and agree on a truce even if for temporary
this could easily be solved.
Russia go home. Leave Ukraine.
edit: gonna call this shit out. right now.
if you disagree with the above sentiment please tell us why.
@npdean@lemmy.today
Because Russia also has demands which are not all reasonable, but their most vocal one has been their constant rejection of Nato expansion along their borders at every enlagement it happened in the past 20 years, and the argument became: Is Nato expansions along Russia a legitiment threat? Well, it’s not that clear-cut and you have to see it from their prespective. They see their previous enemy of US capitilism and its Nato allies, whom they lost to after the communist soviet union fell, expand right on their borders one country after another. Russia has escilated their response of rejection since 2000 every time Nato planned and expanded near them.
Whoever side you see is right, there is a rational peacful point in between where people lives and economies can improve with better human rights and minimum bloodshed. I’m not irrational to ask for less people dying in meat-grinding forced transcripts and civilians and economies suffering on both sides, while their politicians finish their dick-measuring contest.
did NATO install military along the border with Russia? Did NATO posture for an attack against Russia? Did NATO threaten Russian sovereignty? Did NATO take control of sovereign land away from Russia?
no, NATO didn’t do that. Russia did do all that though.
So the question becomes, if Russia is so great and powerful why does it need to posture so much against an alliance of countries that haven’t directly threatened it? Further, if Russia is to powerful why is it afraid of NATO? Lastly, if NATO was so evil why has Russia sent over one million soldiers to die in Ukraine?
The answer to all your first question was no. Then later you ask if Nato’s threat was done indirectly? economically and politically, yes. Then you answer the real question imo yourself, why are you cheering 1million+ of poor & forced conscripts dying for a dictator whose kids are not on the front line and got enough money to spend $10 billions a month until he dies? Russian oligarchs are still eating good, and the rich ones are partying it up in Dubai, Bali and Phuket by the hundrends of thousands. Why not reach a truce after 3.5+ yrs of human meat-grinding warcrimes, and ecnomic draining for all countries and allies involved on both sides? A temporary truce will help clear what everyone wants after 3.5+ years of bloodshed, economic suffering, and irreversible environmental damage where the number one victims are the poors who can’t afford to relocate?
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The satire trolling is hilarious, but it’s still trolling.
What a shit and stupid take. We’re done with wars. They don’t solve anything and just feed the ego’s of weak men. Give us peace. STOP trying to control everything and just make peoples lives BETTER. Fuck corpos, fuck the MIC, fuck profit.
I think they’re being brutally sarcastic, but if not - yes.
Then woosh if true. I totally fell for it.
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Absolutely not. This is to a large degree why we’re in so many messes to begin with. 😄
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Look realistically they will eventually need to give up land. They should take nothing less than NATO membership.
Why the fuck would they need to give up THEIR fucking land?
Because they don’t seem able to retake it? Might makes right, unfortunately.
Russia isn’t winning either.
Never! ✊ Ukraine is Ukraine!
It’s a war of attrition at this point, with Ukraine providing almost all the people to become casualties but highly dependent on foreign aid for weapons, ammunition, intelligence, and continued sanctions enforcement on Russia. If either the foreign support or the domestic supply of soldiers falls short before the Russian economy collapses, Russia gets to keep the occupied land. If the first break is the ruble tanks to the point desperate poor foreigners stop signing up en masse to be cannon fodder in the Russian army, Ukraine could realistically take back the territory they lost.
