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Thats after they got spacex to buy a large number of them.
The Sieg Heiling Space Karen genius could not have foreseen this. Is that right?
Remember when he told his advertisers to fuck off, and then two weeks later sued them because they fucked off? That’s the depth of this man’s genius!!!
And he lost the case obviously…
That does not prove he is not a genius!!! /s
It took awhile for that to get finished, but it was great to see.
VERY popular in Germany
that salute you mean ?
Yes, although I was obviously being a bit sarcastic - but not really since there’s so many neo-nazis over here…
FSD: Full Stagnant Deliveries.
I thought Tesla was going to start building robots, instead of cars.
/somewhat sarcastically
This is my stupid fucking friend who can’t get off Elons nuts at all. It’s fucking sad. He literally bought a model Y the other day despite me telling him Rivian is about to release a competitor because he thinks he can add it to the robo taxi fleet in a year or two. God I love him and am sick of this shit.
This anecdote provides insight to Tesla’s remaining sales strategy. Like the stock itself, all there appears to be is hype and promise.
I have one of those
friendsacquittances. Glow in his eyes when he talks about Elons great deeds. He also just bought a Y-model, because Elon was treated unfairly, even though he’s in large debt due to a grand business opportunity that went south.To be fair, I’m waiting on the R2 as well, but I’m strapping in for first generation fit and finish issues galore. Rivian hasn’t surpassed Tesla in software or aftermarket flexibility.
Not to mention, we probably won’t be able to take delivery until late this year despite paying for a reservation from this past March.
Surpass Tesla in software?
Most of us want less software not more
That’s why everyone is so hyped about Slate. Less of this garbage is a paid feature these days.
The slate software is in no way going to be the industry standard. Car manufacturers are all looking to create parasitic software for their cars.
Slate is DOA based solely on how terrible the range will be.
Slate is a good niche, its range is fine for the purpose its supposed to fill
Imagine a fleet of them for a lawncare business paired with a 30-42" standup electric mower rig
Cost of operations would be dittly squat, could be further buffered with solar and replacememt parts dirt cheap. Roi would be extremely quick and then it’d be pure profits
People are already doing that with used Teslas pulling trailers (yeah its funny to see, but the people doing it have shown their numbers and its pretty nuts)
Whats not fine about the Slate is no awd version. On an EV it’s a minimal endeavor to make that work so there’s really no excuse
Having experienced awd I will never personally own another vehicle without it if I have a choice. Especially a truck. My driving conditions are way too harsh to not have it
The long range model’s EPA range is 240mi, so 120mi while towing, more like 100mi considering that you absolutely cannot run an EV 100 to 0, and that’s best case scenario. That maximum 100mi is not enough for a day of landscaping.
Not talking about towing
Talking about a bedspace only, 1-2 man crew setup
A Bobcat ZS4000 Stand-On Mower 48″ is a 64" long mower for example, so it should juuuust fit in there, but to be safe I mentioned smaller, though personally if I were to do something like this I’d want a greenworks electric, costs half as much as the truck
For sure, you’d see a range drop, but it shouldn’t be anywhere near as severe as pulling a trailer
A small standon, a ramp to get it on and off the truck, a rack with a trimmer, edger, hedger, blower, pruner, mini chainsaw, maybe a delta powerbank or gas generator to recharge the tools as you drive about or they’re in standby
I’d expect a drop in range about 25-30% with that but not as severe as a pull behind trailer
~130-150 miles of range is doable if you plan the route and cluster clients, which any Semi-competent business owner who could afford a fleet of these would be capable of doing or paying someone to manage the routes
Whats not fine about the Slate is no awd version. On an EV it’s a minimal endeavor to make that work so there’s really no excuse
AWD is only a thing in stupid vehicle designs where they put all the weight up front, and the drive wheels at the back.
An EV truck has proper weight distribution, AWD would offer no advantage, just add weight and cost more.
To be fair, we will have full self driving by the end of the year, according to Elon every single year for the last decade.
Oopsy… I want the Tesla batteries, so I can use it has my home battery.
When you’ve schucked the battery, can I have the drive units, electronic brake booster and airconditioning components?
I want to EV my whip pretty bad.
Hail Tesla model SS
At this point i no longer care if they lower the price until they’re free. They will have to sell them as scrap at a loss. I will never, ever, ever buy a Tesla.
I will drive a free tesla
Right into the ocean
At one point I was considering buying a Tesla. Then I didn’t like Musk, but felt I could justify buying a used Tesla, as it wasn’t giving him any money.
Then Nazi salute and DOGE and lol, nope. I won’t even uber a Tesla.
felt I could justify buying a used Tesla, as it wasn’t giving him any money
He’ll still get money for the subscribable services scam and dealer service.
Oh, don’t worry. He can just buy them from himself using taxpayer money via subsidies from his other company like he did last year. If you’re an American taxpayer, you’ve already bought one.
I’d take a free Tesla. Pull the batteries and drive modules. Scrap the shell, sell the drive modules, use the batteries for home storage.
The whole industry can burn, but especially Tesla
Wait, wat? I get Tesla but whole industry?
The average price of a new car is 50k.
The US car industry makes almost no actual cars since sedans and wagons don’t make much money per vehicle.
The whole fucking industry deserves to go out of business, and the laws that incentivized building trucks needs to go with it.
That’s a very US-centric view of car industry
I have a European car rant too, I did live in Germany for 20 years
II absolutely love that multilingual in the language of rant. You deserve more ups than I can give.
I’m interested
Why the fuck is the are cars like the golf, 206 etc the size of a Passat from 20ish years ago.
Why is BMW building a fat front wheel drive called the 2 series.
Why can’t VAG produce anything quality it doesn’t matter if it’s a Skoda or an Audi they’ve all tuned into low quality shit.
Why are reasonable midsized cars in Europe now crossover SUV’s?
Basically it boils down to everything has gotten big, fat, and overpriced have you even seen a Polo?
Fuck the entire German car industry they’ve betrayed what made people like them to chase trends and extra profits
And finally fuck me because I own two VW’s and Two BMW’s
I own a Honda Fit. It’s small, is reasonably petrol efficient, has actual dials and physical knobs for an interface, and needs just basic maintenance to run reliably.
Of course they’ve been discontinued in Canada.
Nice, I like your points and your style
And here I am, still thinking anything but sedans are ugly af. SUVs are the most hideous vehicle I’ve ever seen. Ugly and absolutely the worst possible kind of shape.
Well 2nd worst. Trucks are worse since they tend to be taller. Plus I’ve never met a decent person who owns one of those tall ones. They’re all just chick size competitions, smallest dick finally wins in their eyes. If you absolutely have to have a truck, get one of those Japanese types that are almost as small as a real car that actually has a bed on it.
Whoever started the trend of trucks getting bigger, taller, and fatter all while the bed is smaller than my tiny cars backseat should actually be executed. How many people are they responsible for killing?
Even sedans have gotten supersized just look a new Accord or Camry vs the older versions. The 3 series is bigger than a e39 5 series the A6 is bigger than the older A8’s.
I own a stick shift Golf Alltrack and I really don’t know what I’d replace it with if it was wrecked, there’s nothing out there at a price I’d be willing to that I like.
My last car was a Camry, and it was huge compared to what I remember them as (my mom has an 80s one when I was a kid). I’ve downsized to a Corolla (after I destroyed the Camry whoopsie) now tho.
And I have no idea what those alphabet/number soup cars even are. If they can’t get a real name thae they can go extinct. I’m not learning what an e45 is, or a ZQ73 is.
But yeah they have gotten more unwieldy, and that shit needs to stop.
But what I meant to say got lost in my other point, which was my opinion that even given the most safe shape and sizes possible, I think everything but sedans are ugly, just aesthetically speaking. I understand the practical reasons, but they’re all ugly.
SUVs are not practical. Hatchbacks or wagon sedans are practical.
SUVs are just big to give the impression of value and to sell to an increasingly obese demographic.
The reason the trucks keep getting bigger is to meet emissions regulations. Sounds nuts, right? But instead of making them more efficient, they could use a loophole of making them bigger instead, because the law applies in a size vs efficiency ratio, not efficiency by itself.
Damn, fuck that.
https://youtu.be/I-HqgdJAcLs at 7 minutes in they talk about the efficiency loophole issue.
It is insane how “make everything worse” makes them clear the emissions bar.
I figured something was up when I got a call out of the blue from the Tesla dealership asking if I wanted to upgrade my 2019 to a newer model. Joke’s on them, though. I’m unemployed.
They’re already sitting on them, they should finish the job and shove them right up their asses.
Elon couldn’t pay me to buy a Tesla. I like EVs. It’s not about the technology. It’s entirely about Elon. I’d rather buy Japanese or South Korean, thank you.
depends on the definition of paying. is he giving you discount, or is he paying more than the car’s worth?
if it is the latter, then i am fine keeping all the fucker’s money and set the free teslas on fire.
Well let’s not be too hasty here…
I really despise most everything about him but if Elon were to actually pay me and give me a free car I’d very likely take it. I mean I have principles but I’m not an idiot.
Yeah, you are. The fucking death traps with doors that won’t open in a crash and unless you know where the secret escape hatch is you are cremated.
Tesla just fucking lost a lawsuit about this.
Get that free asbestos sweater while you’re at it.
I thought that was just the Cybertruck, which yes, I wouldn’t drive even if someone gave me one. I’d flip it and buy something else.
I think both the sedan and roadster are okay electric cars, and I think they have enough range I could use them to reduce the amount of gas I burn in my Volt for longer trips.
But, I haven’t really been paying attention to Tesla recently, and Elmu has certainly been looking horrible to me.
The problem is the door locks are electric, so if the car loses low voltage power, the buttons to open the doors no longer work. Worse yet, the Model 3 only has emergency physical latches in the front seats, so good luck in the back, kids.
I’d rather buy a Chinese one, but mr Biden made that impossible.
i have a BYD here in Australia.
mr Biden made that impossible.
Wait, is he still President with a majority in the House of Reps and Senate since 2025?
Thanks, Obama!
Biden put a 100% tariffs on chinese EVs, making it essentially impossible to import them. not like trump was going to roll those back
Yeah, I hate trump, but the Dems fucked this one up. Also like they’ve fucked the elections that led to trump.
Which Japanese EV? I’m not aware of any good ones.
Korean ones? Best on the market. If you want the best for a reasonable price, Hyundai or Kia.
I like the Ionic.
Toyota sells a couple EV models in China for the China market not sure where thier overseas models are made…Toyota has the second biggest selling EV in Norway for example and have that model here in Australia, its actually ok, the previous version was comparatively shitty
https://www.toyota.com.au/bz4x-ev
Subaru have 2 models, a JV with Toyota.
The bz4x/bz/Solterra is still the worst EV on the road, bar none.
Worst range of all EVs, flip phone quality software center stack, and the same price as a model y. It’s nuts that anyone would buy those pieces of shit.
That one?
Nah I’d even drive a paintless dumpstertruck over that thanks
Volvo, Rivian, Kia, Chevy, Ford, plenty of ev options that aren’t negligently dangerous like Toyota’s EVs or Teslas
You got to be a special kind of asshole if you’re buying a Tesla these days.
I didn’t realize TSLA stock had an upward trend most of last year and is only heading downhill this year.
Or an Indian. They fucking love Tesla
I’m in the GTA. Asians here. They fucking love Tesla’s.
Random question: GTA? Greater Toronto Area?
Yes
Yeah it’s not just Indians:
In 2025:
According to the analysis, Tesla achieved loyalty rates of 63.6% among Asian households and 61.9% among Hispanic households. These figures exceeded national averages.
Favorability / loyalty have dropped across all groups over the past several years.
or Norwegian, First and third biggest selling car there
or Australian
Tesla has 35% market share in Norway.
France saw an increase in Tesla registrations by 203% year over year.
Sweden had a 144% increase in registrations. Denmark had a 96% increase.
In the US, the core demographic remains white male, ~48 years old, with a household income exceeding $140,000, particularly in conservative states (Texas/Florida).
Part of the problem is that competition is still lacking in many ways especially when it comes to charging infrastructure.
Yeah, I have to say, I still see Tesla as the leader by far here in the us. And given how price of cars has skyrocketed, teslas are now also “affordable”. There’s finally some EV choice but not much, half of the choice was just cancelled, and most are not good.
Rivian is our best choice for the next compelling EV, but R2 cost significantly more than Tesla.
- A lot of people online like the Equinox and it’s inexpensive, but poor efficiency, horrible software and no CarPlay. Also I’ve never seen one. GM cars in general don’t do well in my part of the US so it would be challenge to get people to see they exist
- Lucid looks great on paper and I’m excited to see their mass market vehicles in a year or two, but they e really been struggling. I hope the saudis continue to see it through
- Hyundai/Kia have been kicking ass on choice but low efficiency and still haven’t kicked their historical reputations for poor quality and easy to steal
I hope the R2 works out well. I’m not planning on getting a new car in the near future, so by the time I do, it should have all it’s kinks ironed out and be a great towing vehicle for a light camping trailer.
The competition is not lacking at all if you’ve been paying attention. And literally every EV brand can use Tesla chargers now.
Depends how much the average consumer is paying attention. Many probably don’t know that every EV can use the Tesla chargers now.
The competition here is certainly constrained. Most car manufacturers are making less EVs due to decreasing overall demand and expirarion of federal EV tax credits.
The real competition is on the other side of the Pacific. Europe and Canada have accepted that on some level while the US continues to artificially prop up its EV market ex-China.
There are legitimate concerns don’t get me wrong. But the US won’t be able to hide from a more dynamic and competitive product forever.
the US continues to artificially prop up its EV market ex-China.
It’s not even that: a little protectionism is normal trade policy globally. This would be fine, if it were temporary and if there was a goal to develop the domestic industry.
The real problem is the combination of protectionism, while also rejecting the technology change and shrinking down to the home market. The protectionism will stop at some point. Realistically it has to. But when it does, American legacy manufacturers will find themselves struggling to sell buggy whips to a world that sees them as museum displays. We’re trying to milk a few more years out of the legacy technology at the cost of totally ignoring the future
This is absolutely true.
Even with the advent of the Industrial Revolution, Britain initially struggled to compete with the sheer quality and cost-effectiveness of Indian hand-woven fabrics.
They instituted a 100% tariff on importation of Indian fabric to support their nascent mechanized textile manufacturing.
This allowed them to hone the machinery by creating a sandbox to grow their new expertise in. The quality could not match what was produced by hand but the sheer volume and efficiency could easily outdo manual methods.
Over time as they gained political influence, they were able to point guns at and break the thumbs of the right people in India effectively eradicating Indias domestic textile industry.
They then forced Indian markets to accept British cloth with no tariff, making that consumer sandbox bigger.
Minus the colonial / coercive economics at the end there, this is an example of Britain using tariffs very effectively to grow their own industry while taking down a global leader in textiles (one that even the Romans wrote of 1500 years prior).
May well have played out the same without supportive policy, but the protectionism certainly helped them grow their own industry faster and the violent / coercive colonial element helped them remove a traditional, higher quality though analog/manual competitor sooner.
What America is doing is more of a dying empire vibe. Protection for the sake of clinging to the old and familiar way, with no plan or strategy to adapt for the future.
Their Q1 sales were actually up over last year. It’s insane.
The same kind of pieces of shit that still use Twitter.
And if you own one from before, the only responsible thing to do is sell it on the used market to reduce demand for their new cars. You might not get the price you want but come on. You could afford a Tesla; I’m not crying for your pocketbook.
Not only that, you sort of have to hate having money.
With the cyber trucks having shit glued on them all over the place the company just seems laughable.
If I’m putting down (potentially) luxury car money I better damned well have a luxury car.
Does anyone have a good basic tip on how to buy one at a discount?
Buy used, they devalue like rocks
What about the idea of the battery degrading or getting worn out or whatever? I’ve never owned one and I have sort of zero concept of that. I think they’re warranty covers through 150k or something like that?
I wouldn’t call them super cheap though they depreciate a lot from the new prices. Lots of quality ICE cars of similar age at lower prices, i.e. they are still expensive cars.
You can get fantastically good deals on used Fiskers. The company is bankrupt but there’s a lively community of owners and getting stuff like repair parts isn’t hard. I’m slightly tempted but only slightly. What I really want is an EV conversion for an old cargo van, so it would have very few computers inside.
You can get fantastically good deals on used Fiskers.
you are a endless pool of bad advice.
Theft. Dealerships hate this one weird trick!
Anecdote:
I was recently browsing an auto listing app for a used EV as I’m thinking about switching to an EV from my ICE hatchback, and the market near me is absolutely flooded with Teslas, primary model 3s. And it’s not just “old” ones either. Tons of 2020-2024 models as well.
Used Teslas cost chump change in my country, especially older Model S which is the more luxurious model. Morally, I could justify buying a used one. I still hate the things though. And while I don’t care too much about my image, a nazi sympathiser is not something I want to look like.
I’m considering a Jaguar I-Pace or MB EQC instead. But if I can get a REALLY good deal on a used Tesla, I might consider pulling the trigger just because 2 euros per liter of diesel makes me spend twice what my payment on the Tesla would be and I could charge it at home.
Though I do love my current torsen-based Quattro so I’d ideally want an AWD car meaning the ones that fit the bill are about as much as the I-Pace. Which begs the question of which one is actually nicer to drive. Guess I’ll have to test drive them both.
there are people in the world who buy new car because their 2 year old one is already too old.
Fun fact, while shopping for a car in 2022, we looked at a used 2021 bmw x5. I wondered what they replaced it with and the salesman said “oh, he traded it in for a 2022 x5 of the exact same trim”. They know him well because every year he comes in and trades in to make sure he is never driving “last year’s model”.
Particularly stupid because that was the year of shortages where they actually made the new model worse by removing features they couldn’t get supply for, other than removing features, the new car was unchanged from prior year.
I cant imagine having a perpetual car payment like that. I paid mine off years ago and its great.
Model 3s are some of the best vehicles ever made - extremely safe and powerful with great handling. Also, extremely low cost long term. Buying used is totally fine. Also there’s literally nothing we can do as consumers to affect Elon. Just treat the company as separate from him.
Model 3s are some of the best vehicles ever made
https://www.motor1.com/news/781164/tesla-used-car-reliability-rankings/
- extremely safe and powerful with great handling.
🤡
You couldn’t pay me to drive one.
Hold the line
