Man I can’t wait to upgrade my device/GPU with AV1 hardware support
AI slop bubble fart reverb sfx
For a while there Turbodong 2000 was my hope of what AI would be used for.
If you’re not in tears, we can’t be friends
I always wanted it to be CELERY MAN, personally.
Your first link is clearly an artist with a WEEKND anal sphincter.
AMD’s XT 7000 series is available for cheap as already a few gens old, or Intel ARC
If I come up with a concept in philosophy can I patent it and charge money when people use it in their philosophy? Fees for codecs operate on this plane of backwardness. Patents in and of themselves are stupid enough, but the capacity for stupidity within patenting knows no bounds apparently.
I’m gonna go patent Marxism lol. Maybe I’ll patent irony at the same time.
Something like that very vaguely happened.
Ridiculous that the works of Marx, who’s been dead for like 150 years are still copyrighted by someone. But I think that patents are even more absurd than copyright.
Technically it’s just that particular English translation that’s copyrighted. The original text is public domain.
fuck the authority, chaining down anything digital because the law is far behind the relative breakneck speed of technological progress.
quietly
Stop putting “quietly” in your fucking headlines, you hacks. This wasn’t “quiet”, it was very publicly announced.
Via LA told Streaming Media that it contacted unlicensed media companies during 2025 to give them “a window to secure a license” under the previous terms, but the company didn’t go to the trouble of issuing a press release or public announcement, opting instead for direct outreach. Any company that didn’t respond or wasn’t contacted now faces the new rate structure as its starting point for negotiations.
Slammed
😡
slammed
Stop putting “slammed” in your fucking comments, you hacks. This wasn’t “the WWE”, it was very obviously Lemmy.
Blast
Blast
Stop putting “blast” in your fucking comments, you hacks. This wasn’t “NASA”, it was very obviously a user.
Shocked.
Shocked
Stop putting “shocked” in your fucking comments, you hacks. This wasn’t “the monkey”, it was very obviously a human.
Thing that bothers me is these guys are claiming to have patents over AV1.
The whole point of av1 is it supposed to be free of this bullshit.
Aye, but AV1 uses math to make the videos smaller, which is the same technology h.264 uses, so clearly it’s patent infringement!
This is why software patents were a horrible idea. We were all warned.
Still, I thought the whole objective of AV1 was to avoid any incumbrances.
is this why youtube is lagging and buffering?
That’s probably because Google are deliberately nerfing your viewing because you are using an ad blocker.
They tell you as much in the little pop up.
Or because you’re not using a chromium based browser.
Just some classic anti-competative practices
better than watching ads!
tiny bit clickbait, small companies are still at $100,000 unchanged
not that that should exist, either
Totally off topic, but man that is one terrible table design. 😆
What could possibly be worth my predicted lifetime worth of earnings?!?
Legally VP8 is beginning to look like the go-to format for video…
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Honestly probably a good thing long-term, lots of platforms have been dragging their heels in adopting better newer codecs, so maybe this will finally give the justification required to put in the engineering hours.
Here’s why it doesn’t matter:
“AOMedia Video 1 (AV1) is an open, royalty-free video coding format initially designed for video transmissions over the Internet. It was developed as a successor to VP9 by the Alliance for Open Media (AOMedia),[3] a consortium founded in 2015 that includes semiconductor firms, video on demand providers, video content producers, software development companies and web browser vendors.”
The best part of the article is the very end, even if the site makes it look unrelated.
Avanci’s Video pool and Access Advance’s Video Distribution Patent pool are both now seeking content royalties from streaming services for the use of HEVC, VVC, VP9, and AV1. Access Advance’s rates are capped at roughly $63 million per year, and Avanci has published rates of 1.6% to 2.0% of revenue or $0.12 to $0.15 per user per month.
$4.5 million max for H.264 is rookie numbers vs. the $63 million max for AV1
How does someone seek royalties on an open, royalty-free video coding format?
By claiming that you own patents on technology used by said format.
The “open royalty free” aspect applies to companies that are a part of the AOMedia group, if you’re not involved with them you’re not covered by the patent grants and restrictions in place, and can charge whatever the courts say is cool.
Here’s why it does matter
Most server hardware thats out there right now doesn’t support av1 encoding, so all of those, literally tens of thousands of them in thousands of spread out data centers have to be replaced with brand new +$1,500 a pop cards that do support it before they can use it
This is only really true if you have extreme throughput requirements, a regular VOD operation can get by fine on software encoding.
If you have the kind of throughput needs that warrant hardware encoders you’re going to want to go ASIC anyway, so regular server hardware won’t cut it. Like YouTube for example had to build their own ASICs because of the downright absurd scale they are running at
I was gonna say, I like AV1, but my Plex server says otherwise.
I’m using a 15 year old i5 and a GTX 970, having no issues with AV1 video. Curious what hardware you’re running.
I doubt that it’s doing real time transcoding in av1, probably just sending the file “as-is” to your client device and you’re noticing as modern networks allow real time streaming of files with that size
My server with much newer components does like 5 fps in encoding av1
were you trying the default av1 encoder in ffmpeg? that one is unoptimized try libsvtav1 I get hundreds of fps, albeit on a 9800x3d
just the default encoder. I tried it only once and when I saw the FPS I gave up almost immediately
Neither of those things support AV1 encoding or decoding. Curious how you’ve come to believe you’re having “no issues” with a codec your hardware has no support for.
You don’t need HW acceleration to playback AV1. Maybe they watch most of their content at 720p and are software decoding and it’s been good enough.
Yeah you’re going to need HW acceleration to encode AV1 on your server “without issues”.
Theres a world of difference between something that’s technically possible and something that will just work without issues of any kind. Something being “good enough” implies the existence of caveats. Mainly being that’d be a shitty experience lol.
Sure, but most people don’t need encode. The start of this thread talks about encoding, but the person you replied to didn’t specify. My guess is they’re just talking about playback.
Software decoding has clearly been sufficient.
Lmao
use software transcoding if thats your issue
if plex cannot work at all with AV1, it might be time to move to a non-garbage media server like jellyfin.
jellyfin is the least functional of the trinity of media servers so that’s not the best recommendation here.
Work great for me. Click button and media plays. What issues are you having?
“Click button media plays” would be the bare minimum a media server does. Being able to play media at all does not elevate it above of its position at the bottom of the media player stack.
How about fuck you buddy.
not a wise choice but one nonetheless
Time to switch to Jellyfin.
I didn’t ask for recommendations.
Damn my bad, that changes everything! My sincere apologies!
You’d probably have higher adoption rates if you jellyfans weren’t so annoying.
You’re right, they’re the worst.
How would that help at all lol
Jellyfin somehow makes his hardware support AV1?
Yeah, it transcodes AV1 just fine. Half my stuff is in AV1 and I’ve never had an issue watching it on any device.
So does Plex… It transcodes AV1 just fine.
Clearly their hardware isn’t powerful enough to transcode it smoothly. So they resort to codecs that play natively on their hardware
Most hardware can’t decode it either which is very important. Also it’s currently being sued over patents
Most hardware is only really true if you account for older hardware in circulation, most new hardware will be shipping hardware decoder support for AV1.
On top of this, the software decoder support is remarkable for AV1,
libdav1dis a marvelous piece of software, bringing access to a plethora of devices lacking hardware decoder support.
And those servers are what process your Twitchs, your YouTubes, your Netflixs and etc services
Can’t be too sure about that: https://sh.itjust.works/post/57524423
The whole patent system should just be abolished. And if we can’t achieve that, at least software patents.
Nah, we’ve seen what happens with patents. from medical, to agriculture, to automotive to software. The system isn’t working even slightly as originally intended in almost all scenarios and should be dismantled
“Nah”? You seem to be agreeing
Maybe the nah was to the just software patents part
We need a “right of retrieval” where,once encoded, it must be free to decode and play back. If we’re going to allow proprietary media, all the prices should be clear and up front. No charging on the back end after everyone has already encoded their baby vids to avc; no changing prices after the fact.
Oh look just as the AV1 consortium is also deciding to do shakedowns. It’s a good thing the open source community have a history of building functional and well performing codecs, especially when it comes to media formats.
Oh man. I hope Dolby looses. Patents are way too long and benefit so few that I think they shouldn’t be justified/exist in society. Also some stuff should be decided in court to be essential technology and patents/claims should then be dissolved.
I believe the error was in the AV1 license NOT having a “if you enforce patent-license-fees on this codec, THEN you can’t use this codec” type of coercion…
( I may have got the logic wrong, but there’s some kind of license that works that way, which other open codecs have used, apparently )
Just ignoring that predators exist … provides NO protection from them.
You have to make your license-agreement break abusers, … or you’re just helping them.
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loses
Maybe in misunderstanding, but that story seems to be about Dolby going after AV1, not the other way around.
Lemmy really has a piss poor reading comprehension.
You mean the world
matroska video
Which is a container, not an encoding.
Wait, is Stallman right again?
AGAIN?
I have met Stallman, I don’t like Stallman, Stallman is right about most thing related software licensing.
This reads like a lawyer was holding a shotgun to your head while you were typing it. I have to assume we won’t get any more explanation than that 🤣.
I agree with most of Stallman’s views on proprietary code. However, the one time I met him in person I found him to be off putting. I am not going to get into details because this is the internet and I know how people are.
Was he eating his leg boogers?
I am not going to shit on the man. His views and opinions about free software are worth knowing and understanding. I just would invite home to a dinner party or ask his opinion on any other topics.
Stallman only eats open sores.
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Long Live WebM I guess.
Webm is just a subset of mkv
mkv for the win
mkv is a container, not a codec
same as webm, yes
webm can contain VP8, VP9 or AV1 video streams. I guess if you mean webm with VP9 inside it could be one solution, though less efficient. Also Google donated VP9 and what they had for VP10 to the development efforts of of AV1, so if AV1 is found to be infringing it’s a negative signal for VP9 too…
Edit: Sorry I was a bit off-topic. I was thinking of the action that Dolby is currently taking against Snapchat for their AV1 use.
