Fox News host Sean Hannity dedicated a segment of his Thursday show to deliver a message to Pope Leo XIV, suggesting he and others at the Vatican had totally lost sight of the true meaning of the bible and its teachings.

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    29 days ago

    I mean i agree with the Republicans here, kinda. Christianity is a death cult. It basically does not have people’s wellbeing in mind, it mostly cares about “progress towards god” but that is an abstract, cold and merciless concept. It has nothing to do with “caring for the poor” and “taking in strangers”. These things might have been what Jesus preached about, but that’s long ago and what christianity has evolved into is basically the complete opposite of that.

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      29 days ago

      The issue here is that there’s a lot of room for interpretation. Slavers used the bible as defence for their actions.

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        The Bible is absolutely not up to interpretation regarding slavery. It is unambiguously pro-slavery.

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          It is? It may be clear I’m no theologian. Have you any verses off hand?

          Edit: I went off and did some digging and it looks like you’re more or less spot on. There are verses in various parts of the old testament that just accept slavery as a thing.

          Some new testament bits are clearly anti-slavery though.

          Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

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      Pete Hegseth, the bible-thumping secretary of war, used the fake Bible quote from Pulp Fiction at the Pentagon prayer group earlier this week.

      Pete has a shit ton of “crusauder” (and totally not white-nationalist) tattoos. Christianity is a label/identity for people like him, not a lifestyle or personal moral code.

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    I have never agreed with Hannity before, but I have to agree with him here.

    The Bible is full of bloody mayhem, and Jesus was not a peacemaker. He promised to come back and murder everybody.

    The only people that think Jesus is a kind hippy are people who haven’t read the Bible. This image has been used by the church to dupe secular society since their fall from grace, but it’s a falsehood.

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      When the preachers read from the bible they only choose very specific passages, and ignore any that don’t support the point they want to make.

      They know 89% of the people listening won’t ever bother to read it themselves.

      Its nothing more than simple manipulation.

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      29 days ago

      Yup. In Jesus’ own words:

      34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.

      Matthew 10:34-36

      But also, Fuck Sean Hannity.

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    29 days ago

    bro, I am muslim so I have no idea how christian values work but even I can see this is heresy to an unbelievable degree. Your president calls himself the second Jesus, you cannot defend him against any religious person at that point, let alone the Pope.

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      Actually, for a fascist it’s very easy. When words dont really mean anything and your ideology demands no consistency you can say what you want and defend the indefensible. If you think that rational people would see through all that you’re right, but their followers arent. They’ve been trained for over forty years to be led by the nose by their media peer group. Be it conservative news or Facebook posts or green text or their local evangelical demigogue, whatever it is they will be told what they want to hear. Trump is right, and by extention they are right too. And to question it is to put at risk all the relationships they’ve built up over their lifetime. To be wrong is too risky, so they simply arent. And people like Sean Hannity can say whatever they want without question.

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        Well said. It’s brutal to see this happen to Christian family members. It’s impossible to penetrate

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      Where I’m at the Christians have mostly completely lost the plot. There’s this complete perversion of the faith called Prosperity Gospel that basically believes money is proof of divine blessing. So being rich is proof you’re in Gods favor.

      Also where I am there’s is non-0 number of Christians who legitimately believe we/someone needs to rebuild ancient buildings in the middle east so Jesus can return.

      It’s a death cult that believes money is proof that God approves of you. While simultaneously believing unending war/genocide in the middle east is a necessary evil. So they can just shrug their shoulders while people are slaughtered and say “God works in mysterious ways!”

      Send help.

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        Send help.

        This is a mess of America’s making.

        You’re going to have to fix it yourselves.

        (Unless it gets so bad that you guys are an existential threat to the rest of the planet - then the rest of the world might be forced to take action that nobody wants)

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    29 days ago

    sean hannity is an ex-catholic.

    in his religion and in his own bible flavor, he definitely can say someone else is wrong.

    "[he has] totally lost sight of my fave bible flavor’s teachings~’

    – prolly hannity

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    29 days ago

    These Republicans are deranged lunatics of they really think like hannity has any kind of ground to stand on over the pipes opinions.

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    29 days ago

    Trump’s not going to heaven. He’s starting his own heaven, with blackjack and hookers, where he’s god and Kid Rock is jesus or something

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    29 days ago

    Am I wrong, or is the thing the Pope said that has these freaks so upset basically like, “war is bad, don’t do it”?

    I mean for fuck sake…

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    Who is Hannity?

    • Housepainter.
    • He attended but did not graduate from:
        • Sacred Heart Seminary
        • St. Pius Seminary
        • New York University
        • Adelphi University
    • 1989 Volunteered as a DJ at KCSB, Santa Barbara, was fired, show dismissed.
    • 1990’ish - got another job at WVNN, Alabama
    • proceeded to talk on the radio …

    Why does this matter? - because it shows that Hannity doesn’t matter. Any more than the 12 of us in this thread. - He is alive and has a mouth, are his accomplishments and skills, Yet his thoughts and opinions are played across the loudspeakers of the camp.

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      Why does this matter? - because it shows that Hannity doesn’t matter

      While I understand what you’re saying, Hannity absolutely matters because millions of people listen to his bullshit. His past doesn’t matter as he is a powerful propagandist now.

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        27 days ago

        Agreed, he definitely is. My goal is to dissipate the ‘aura of authority’ on him in peoples minds, and show him for what he is, with hopes that the magic will wear off.

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    We just need to come out and say it. These MAGA are all mentally ill and they need help immediately.

    There is no other logical explanation for their actions.

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      Is cult mentality. They would rather cling to even the most ridiculous ideas than admit to themselves that they were duped by an obvious conman

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    Lmao I love how folks are telling the VOICE OF GOD ON EARTH that he’s wrong.

    (I’m an atheist and don’t believe it, but this whole situation is hilarious.)

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      Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.

      I cannot fathom telling a guy who has dedicated his life to the church though that he doesn’t understand the bible. Then again that is the republican MO, if you think you know better than an expert clearly you do.

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              Being the largest denomination does not mean they shaped all Christianity. In fact Christianity was shaped before the Catholics split, in the middle east and Asia Minor with Rome being a fringe player.

              Their later innovations were mostly left unadopted by the other half of the church and also caused a new split resulting in major intra-Christian religious wars. In fact since Catholics are merely a plurality and not a majority most Christians reject, frankly an understatement, the defining characteristic of Catholicism, papal infallibility.

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        The pope does understand the Bible, and he knows damn well that he’s misrepresenting it. That’s his job (and always has been).

        Read the Bible, see for yourself. If you are short on time, just read Revelation (the last book).

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          Yes, please, read the apocalyptic fever dream of a crazy man as proof that god exists. I’m totally convinced!

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            28 days ago

            The Bible permeates the USA and its government, it’s very useful for understanding why things are the way they are.

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          This dude is fucking nuts. Revelation is easily the dumbest book of the bible to recommend.

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            It’s the only “cool” book the rest is boring nonsense.

            The only people I have ever heard qout revelations, are nutters, and people trying to get money. It reads like biblical fanfic.

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            28 days ago

            Agreed.

            I mean, it’s my favorite book of the Bible. But it’s the most easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. The whole thing is an allegory written in a particular kind of prose, drawing on tropes common to a genre of writing scholars call “apocalypse.” But given that even lifelong Christians are unaware of this fact means that this is definitely not the book to recommend reading as an entry point. Unless you’re looking for inspiration for something to airbrush on the side of your bitchin’ van (hopefully one with a crescent moon bubble window on the back). Then by all means flip to the section right before the maps and get to sketching!

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              ABSOLUTELY. I love the book of Revelation, but too many don’t understand how to read apocalyptic literature, nor do they understand the source material to contextualize the heavy symbolism. I blame a ton of the dumbshit premillenial dispensationalism crudely hobbled together to resemble a form of eschatology on a poor understanding of Revelation, Dallas Theological Seminary for spreading the fuck out of it, and Schofield for being the dipass to keep it from remaining the obscure hallucinogenic ramblings of a (probably) sick pentecostal woman in England. Man there are so many cool things about the theology of hope and some strong influences of Stoic philosophy(again), but man does American theology love to fetishize about the unbelievers facing a gruesome divine genocide…

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                I don’t really consider myself a Christian anymore, but I have read the bible during the time I did. The only people I ever knew who were way into revelations were fucking stupid ass old people like my wife’s grandfather who was a miserable vindictive old man who had no admirable traits whatsoever. He was also definitely not aware of the intended meaning, he just like the shit about non-believers finally getting theirs.

                Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid. But I think understanding of also kind of requires other theological understanding.

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                  Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid.

                  Knowing the context makes it worse in my opinion, but you do you.

                  You know what’s really stupid? Thinking Jesus is a beacon of peace, He’s horrifying. If you can’t handle Him murdering everybody in a rage, you can’t get through the Bible anyway.

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        I’m going to be pedantic, but it’s the exact opposite of what you wrote. Catholics are a branch of Christians, who give more importance to the role of saints and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, among other differences.
        So you should actually argue that they are not really Catholics, if they don’t recognize the authority of the Pope.

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          Catholics aren’t a “branch” of Christians, they are the tree itself. The first church, they dominated for many centuries, and still do, as this discourse proves; the Pope and church remain very influential

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          I had to read their comment a few times, but I think when they said “they,” they were referring to people like Hannity.

          Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.

          Like “according to people like Hannity, Catholics are not real Christians. Therefore, people like Hannity don’t believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope”

          Definitely a strange way to word it.

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      Thing is, they claim that they care about religion. Not sure how many deadly sins they are gobbling up with all of that because something doesn’t add up.

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    of times wealth is criticized and statements about treating the poor better: ~3,000

    of times paul wrote that pork isn’t going to send you to hell: 1

    of times paul actually said it was directly ok to eat pork: 0

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        Acts of the Apostles (written by Saint Luke). Saint Peter is recorded as having a vision of Jesus telling him to eat non-kosher foods. This is all a means to let Saint Peter know that Gentiles are not be treated as “unclean.”

        I can’t think of a single instance where Saint Paul mentions pork.