• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Millennial here, I got (and sometimes still get) my fair-share of bashing for spending way too much time on the computer. Some were concerned that I will be unable to talk with other people about the series currently running on the TV (!), although early on they mourned the “football star” I was supposed to become, with my late stepmother not really giving up on that until she thought instead I could be the next Zuckerberg (TL;DR: she originally hated computers because they crashed and she also read an article on the Columbine shooting once, but changed her mind once Facebook came out).

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      3 months ago

      I’ve just never been able to connect with people, by talking inanely about reality shows or football. Woe is me.

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    3 months ago

    It’s not generational, its proportional to how brian-rotted you are.

    The more time you spent scrolling mindlessly, the more your brain defaults to that reward path and makes you crave it.

    But there are tiers to the activities you choose to do and how they rot or don’t rot your brain:

    Tier 1:

    • Playing a social sport or game - it’s fully engaging and interactive, it requires planning and foresight, and forces you to communicate and engage socially.
      • It often also forces active choice in picking something to do
      • It often requires broader commitment and week-week planning just to create the events
      • Bonus points if it’s a physical sport or game since it helps you stay fit
      • Bonus points if it’s an intellectual challenge that pushes you to think outside your comfort or default zones (for some people that might be DND, for some it might be playing a team sport)
    • Pursuing a challenging cooperative project - joining volunteer organizations, starting / running a business or charity to try and do something for world, organizing large social events, or participating in parent Council and community groups, and local politics, etc. - these all require working with other, broadening your skills, and will be rewarding as you change your environment
    • Caring for others who need it - when you have the ability and others don’t, it benefits everyone to help even out the world

    Tier 2:

    • Reading a challenging book that will make you grow as a person (maybe the news or a genuine deep research binge depending where you’re at) / listening to an educational podcast / watching a challenging movie or mini-series / pursuing a challenging independent project / pursuing independent physical fitness - those are all great pursuits that will help grow you in some specific way that will benefit the world in the long run, and all require active choice and follow through which is great, but when you do things solo, you have orders of magnitude lower effectiveness in terms of your impact on the world, you don’t grow socially (and tend to atrophy). For some people who are hyper social, these might be more Tier 1 since they need to adjust in that direction, but for most people, I would put these at Tier 2.
    • Socially consuming good, but non-challenging media / activities. Picking something to do, but picking something good and well made that you can examine and critique with people. Watching breaking bad and picking apart the foreshadowing or symbolism, watching sports and dissecting the strategy, watching a bad movie and actively extrapolating what their bad writing implies about the universe they’ve created and the horrors that would create. Playing the same casual sport you play every week, and not really trying to push yourself or do better.
    • Healthy social events - seeing friends / family / neighbours, going out to parties and festivals and events and socializing with people and making friends and adding positivity to the world.
    • Necessary cleaning & maintenance - you still gotta take care of yourself, the world you live in, and learn how to do it all sustainably.

    Tier 3

    • Independent physical fitness activity where you don’t push yourself - going to the gym / run / etc without actually trying very hard. Still good that you’re doing it to prevent atrophy, but not really improving and not necessarily the greatest use of time. Usually hiding a deeper underlying issue like exhaustion, depression, etc.
    • min/maxing cleaning and home improvement - still good in that it will make you happy and satisfied, but at a certain point it’s just an obsessive waste of time without benefit

    Tier 4:

    • Passively consuming content – this is the dividing line between healthy and unhealthy in my mind – but this is putting on cable and watching whatever’s on, opening an app and scrolling, defaulting to reading the latest gossip magazine because that’s just what you do at this time of night, - this behaviour is, imho, fundamentally toxic, in that the act of doing it not just wastes your time, but actively makes you less happy / stable / etc, though it’s often not the root cause. You tend to default towards these when you’re stressed and low energy, on the flip side, they tend to make you stressed and low energy.

    Everything is a spectrum, and I’ve known Pre-Boomers, Boomers, GenX, Millenials, and Gen Z who all have problems with Tier 4 (and lower) activities. Usually it’s a sign of other stress / unsatisfaction / depression (note that Tier 1 activities are the ones you tend to drop when you get depressed), but it’s really upsetting to see anyone when they seem unaware of how stuck in a toxic Tier 4 loop they are.

  • vga@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    The main reason I whine to kids when they cannot put their phones down is so that they would put their phones down. I’m not passively complaining about the state of the world, I’m doing what I’m supposed to as a parent and/or older person.

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    3 months ago

    I think they crave shared experience, the social activity of watching together, of picking something that everyone wants to watch.

    I miss it too, except I never wanted to watch what they wanted to watch. I couldn’t do it either.

    Now I just miss them.

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    3 months ago

    Not that I’m in any position to speak for an entire generation but I feel like a lot of Gen Z also can’t understand why Gen Z can’t put their phones down and watch TV like a normal person.

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    3 months ago

    I’m a millennial and I raised my kids how I was raised. My son got his first electronic device at age 13. He does not stop using his phone ever. It is insane. First thing in the morning he grabs it off the charger and will be buried in it all day long doing nothing at all besides looking at his phone. All he does is watch videos on Spotify…it’s fucking crazy. Then I set a time limit on his phone. So after his time limit is up he just texts and calls random people. That shit is not normal and to me I won’t understand it. Ever.

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    3 months ago

    Older people can be just as bad as young ones about phone addiction and poor habits let alone manners

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      I was on vacation with my girlfriend and we met up with her parents abd went to dinner with some of their friends. All in their late 60es early 70es. Me and my girlfriend are around 40 and the kids 5 to 8. The children aren’t really alliwed on their phones and i thought it was rather rude to hang on my phone. Then i saw these elderly people either playimg candy crush or something similar or asking their phone 20 timea in a row how long the coastline in italy was, or similar questions. It was way too loud for chatgpt or Gemini or whatever to pick anything up, so they just kept asking. It was quite bizzare to me, because 30 years ago, i would’ve been the kid on a gameboy and people their age would tell me that it’s bad and rude.

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        Parents and grandparents are more isolated than they ever been, and have lost social skills along with the rest of societies where phones own the users rather than the other way around. People are lonely everywhere and old folks struggle with this in many industrialized societies. No one is around to tell the older folks how they look, that it’s strange and uncomfortable, and many don’t have grandchildren now to help them see what else is out there in life. Young people need older folks around and both groups benefit as do parental-age people from this historic arrangement. It’s fucking tragic, like watching the death of a species…and that’s before you bring the environment into it.

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      3 months ago

      Lol my grandma had phone additiction long before smart phones. Watching TV before steaming really sucked with her in room.

    • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip
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      3 months ago

      My mother was constantly on her phone playing games or scrolling social media/TikTok/YouTube. Even when her favorite shows were on she barely paid any attention.

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        3 months ago

        My mom used to knit during shows, and either miss a plot point, or lose count of a stitch and have to unravel stuff.

        For movies, she was notorious for falling asleep and getting upset that we finished watching it anyway.

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    And I’m a (late) millennial and spend most of my time at home neither on my phone nor TV, but my laptop computer (connected to two external monitors).

    I got my first own computer when I was 10 and ever since then, using the computer has been my “default” activity when I’m at home. Smartphones came after that and didn’t change that, I still prefer big screens with a keyboard and mouse if I have them, mainly use my smartphone when I’m not at home.

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      3 months ago

      I’m the same way. Phone usually sits at the desk by the door. I’m also almost able to convince myself I’m better than others due to not having a “smartphone addiction” as if it makes a difference which screen I’m staring at.

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        No such thing as “smartphone addiction” anyway. Not liking boredom is a fairly normal human instinct and the fact that we can now at almost all times use smartphones to get rid of boredom is a good thing. Quick reminder that “Internet addiction” started out as a satirical concept. Addiction is normally about substance use, maybe gambling; calling all hobbies or habits “addictions” completely devalues the concept.

        Digital technology can be used for so many different things in so many different ways that it’s completely stupid to demonize it in general. I acknowledge that watching a steady stream of short videos (on TikTok or similar) for hours isn’t a very productive way to spend one’s time, but there are so many other things that can be done on screens!

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          So the definition of addiction is a repeated behavior that you know is causing your problems and you know you should stop but you can’t make yourself stop. Internet addiction is absolutely not a joke and never was. It doesn’t devalue the concept at all. That’s what it is. Addiction often ties in with substance dependence, but not necessarily.

          That said, a lot of people do misuse the word addiction, if you use the phone a lot but it’s not causing problems in your life then it’s not addiction.

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    3 months ago

    In the worst case Boomer can’t even remember how we watch TV in the 90s which was exactly the same way but without our phone. We didn’t watch TV scotched to the screen like that like to think, there’s a reason why ads are blaring noise like a fucking bombing alarm now.

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    3 months ago

    Not a shower thought.

    Also never heard this from any boomer - and I have a large family that extends from 90 year-old grandparents to newborns.

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      It’s adjacent but my boomer dad thinks I should be getting my news from network news stations since I also don’t get the newspaper. For some reason he thinks those sources are more reliable than the internet without thinking about who owns them.

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    3 months ago

    “tiktok will ruin your attention span”

    Flips between channels every 20 seconds muttering about how there’s nothing good on

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      3 months ago

      Watch older tv and you realize how much time is dedicated in many shows to recapping what happened three minutes ago before the commercial break.

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        3 months ago

        3 minute commercial break? So like TV from 60s?

        Last I heard the average sitcom comes in at 16 minutes for a 30 minute block.

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          I haven’t really watched made for broadcast tv since, say, 2008 and House episodes are about 42:00, 6 breaks, 3 min each. Maybe it’s longer, fewer breaks. But I’m sure it’s trashier now.

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            I got curious and did some quick searching. Looks like it depends greatly on the content and network with dramas usually having shorter breaks than sitcoms. The Big Bang Theory for instance averaged 17 minutes apparently.

            One interesting factoid I found was that The Wizard of Oz, which is 101 minutes long, took up a 120 minute block in the 60s unedited but a 180 minute block today with edits to make it shorter.

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    3 months ago

    Gen-X quietly in the corner, remembering how they watched TV a lot too, but also mostly got kicked out of the house to play outside and don’t come back in until dark.

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      My parents said I was addicted to TV. So they told me I was allowed to watch 4 hours a week and I could pick the programs I wanted to watch from the TV magazine.

      Turned out that this just meant I could watch the shows I wanted instead of them switching them off. I only had 3 favourite shows, I never watched anything else anyway.

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    3 months ago

    Because TV is boring as hell most of the times and majority of it is ads which cant be blocked.

    At least with phone i have to move my thumbs or put a little taught into how to express myself.

    Standard TV is just a complete mind numbing existence. It’s pretty much equal to just being in a coma. Even sleeping is better, at least the body is recovering at that time. Standard TV is one of the worst ways to consume data garbage.

    Of course there are good movies and documentaries, but those are a minority.

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    3 months ago

    I’m GenX and I honestly can’t stand to watch ads anymore, they’re all so stupid and I feel like I’ve put in my damn time already with the ads.

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      I havent used an actual TV for regular broadcasting in about 25 years, so my experience of ads has been targeted bullshit about buying lawnmowers when I already bought one, and eat this ONE WEIRD FRUIT to half CANCER RISK.

      I miss the adverts on cartoon network. Im tired of being an adult. Tell me more about that RC Car that sticks to walls. Show me the slushy maker again.

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        Right. Advertise cool shit. Not corpo crap. Liberty, Applebee’s, some pharmaceutical called wongfelloffwizi

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      My cell phone has literally all notifications turned off.

      Silent always. Never a pesky red dot telling me where to tap. Never a push notification reminding me that I should reconsider using something I obviously don’t need.

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      millennial here, I absolutely hate ads with such a passion that I will go very far out of my way to block ads. I’ve side loaded a YouTube alternative onto my TV to avoid ads. My parents (boomers) have no problem paying for xm radio and still being advertised to!

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        I realize that i always hated ads with a passion. It has probably a lot to do with autism, but i learned early on to cut out ads on whs tapes that i recorded, even tho, the ads back there was nothing like the nightmare we live in now. When i see an ad on youtube, that’s what i do for however long it takes to get rid of them. Same with windows. So you want me to force to look at this? How about i learn Linux instead? At this point i don’t really even know what ads are or look like, but every now and then I’m in someone’s home and the tv is on and i think: wow, that’s crazy, i could never.

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        Gen Z here. I haven’t seen an ad that wasn’t a billboard or of my own volition for over a year. VHS ads don’t really count though so take that as you will.

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            Surprisingly yes although I suspect they will phase them out real soon since you can skip ads. The only way to watch the show again will be on demand, which they put ads all over now. There are a few movie channels that offer ad free, but unless you pay through the nose the only way to avoid ads is to pirate things.