Griffin added more details to her initial post, writing, “A senior US official tells me that it was a US military strike on Iran’s Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas moments ago but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire.”
Fake ceasefire to avoid the war powers act.
You can’t restart a war that never ended or end a cease-fire that never started
So, is the ceasefire over, or are we just doing an Israel-style ceasefire?
You cease, we fire
Iran is not Gaza. If the usa don’t cease , Iran will not cease. Even hizbollah no longer accept isrsel breach if the cease fire and are back at full scaled retaliation
Actually, what he meant was a seas-fire, hence the bombing of a coastal city /s
Since Iran retaliated I would say the cease fire is done
The ceasefire was done when the us attacked iran
That’s why I said retaliated. It mean the usa restarted the hostilities first
Regardless of retaliation, if there is a ceasefire, and someone shoots from one side to the other, even without a retaliation, the ceasefire is violated.
Actually the cease fire become null and Iran has the right to retaliate, which they did.
That’s what I said. https://lemmy.world/comment/23627380
Yes iran has the right to retaliate
AFAIK the ceasefire ever existing was a myth? Trump just kinda declared it without anyone else agreeing and then everyone kept shooting anyway, Trump included.
Toddler logic:
Ceasefire means you stop, I can still do what I want.
People forget trump has always wanted a forever war to cancel elections.
He doesn’t want to permanently fix anything, he wants it ready to blow as an excuse to cancel an election.
Don’t forget Bibi has canceled like 4 consecutive Israeli elections, it’s his bread and butter and he’s running this show.
The war won’t end while trump is in office.
Ding ding ding
I expect a false flag attack, blamed on Iran, to happen right before the midterms
Mar a lago ,may I hope
That’s the only way I would believe the attack is real. It’ll probably be an Amazon warehouse which happens to be fully staffed by union supporters.
Faux news:
Iran just shit trump’s pants!
He’s also likely hit the Alzheimer’s stage of his life. Combine his general impulsivity with the characteristic impulsivity of Alzheimer’s. Now add in his likely cluster B personality disorder. Anything can happen at any time.
Reason may not be involved at all.
Someone gift him a luger with ammo and he’ll fix the problem himself.
So our best hope for mankind’s future is…McDonald’s?
apparently because Americans seem OK to bring the world to ruin before attempting to organize a general strike or protest on a week day
They’re inviting ufc fighters to the White House and someone could potentially do something really funny
I would pay so much money to watch a PPV fight between any UFC fighter and everyone in Trump’s cabinet. Starting with the president and VP, of course.
I know Bibi is running the country lika a dictator, but has he really cancelled any elections? As far as I can tell, since 2000 there have been Knesset elections 2003, 2006, 2009, 2013, 2015, 2019, 2019 (again), 2020, 2021 and 2022 with the next one expected in October this year.
Doesn’t sound like there have been any cancellations, considering the members serve four-year terms, however, there have been plenty of early elections.
Can you clarify what you meant by him having cancelled Israeli elections?
They don’t have regular elections, they can happen as often as every year.
Bibi has cancelled due to “war” since 2022, and while there is an election scheduled this year, that has been true for every year since 2022 as well.
No, this is a new war which Congress totally doesn’t need to approve for 90 days.
Not a restarting of the war? LMAO this administration thinks we are STUPID.
It’s just a demented military operation…
Well, a large percentage of the US is stupid.
Most Americans can’t read at a 12th grade level.
Most humans can’t read at a 12th grade level.
Yeah but we’re talking about America where education through the 12th grade is compulsory. By virtue of passing every American with a high school education should be capable of analyzing and consuming media at a pre-collegiate level. More than half can’t do it at even a sixth grade level. Half of Americans are functionally illiterate. Just look at any reddit thread or any America centric fediverse thread.
More than half the adult population can’t read at a grade 6 level.
Yep, that’s the whole most Americans are functionally illiterate. I know. We’re mostly a lost cause.
Tou cna be bad at school and still be smart in many different aspects.
No.
Tbh our country re-elected him so I can see why they’d get that impression
It thinks Republicans are. Because passivity from the Republicans in the Senate is all he needs to keep the war going. I certainly have no faith in the military to reflect unlawful orders themselves.
The most significant issue with an idiot is that they will always assume that everyone around them is less intelligent than they are.
The Dunning-Cougar effect. I know this one and I’m never wrong.
Dunning-Kruger?
Whooooosh
thinks we are STUPID.
the majority of the country voted for him or abstained… so yes… amerikkka is stupid
I mean you guys did vote him in
Please, stop assuming every US citizen voted for Trump. A lot of them didn’t, and you most likely have no idea whether the person you replied to is one of them.
These kind of comments are becoming tiresome and doesn’t help anyone; and they certainly doesn’t bring anything to the discussion.
@lemmy.ca . The user you replied to seems to be canadian.
Haven’t they been annexed? /s
Twice.
TWICEThe first time was moronic, but the second is unforgivable. Just unforgivable.
Basic article, but news snippets & headlines (sans article reading) can work the same way. As one example, we are now seeing pregnant women shun Tylenol, not for anything specific they remember, just a vague “I heard it could be bad for the baby.”
MAGA knows what they say in brief sound bites, on repeat, can and will have similar impact.
Not on all. But they don’t need all. They just need enough absorbing the info in this way to keep us divided and forever following different information.
Nah, they think you’re powerless. And they’re generally right.
Y’all are missing the point of saying it’s not a resumption. Of course it is. But they have to lie. If they admit they’re resuming, it means they’re in violation of the war powers act by going past 60 days. I expect the next lie will be that actually, this is a totally new military operation and the clock has reset.
Near thing about the war powers act is a the president has to do is tell Congress they need 30 more days to “wind-down” operations. Then they get 30 free more days to do whatever
And when they need to justify the war they claim we’ve been at war with Iran for 47 years.
Each lie is made for each argument or question they are addressing and does not need to be consistent with prior lies.
He’s literally done that multiple times already…
So yeah, pretty safe bet
Nobody is forced to accept lies
Sundowning Preznit Fuckwit is bigly mad because the trumpstein files are being brought up again.
There. That is why bombs are being dropped. Because a pedo doesn’t like when you shame his child raping activities.
this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire
Fires
“This is not an end to the ceasefire”
I mean how can you cease firing if you aren’t firing?
Checkmate atheists
Now they’re gonna wait for Iran to fire back and say they broke the ceasefire.
The old Israeli approach to ceasefires.
“Time in. Tag, you’re it. Time out.”
it’s just a tribute
Trump was probably told by Putin a ceasefire is when the other side stop fighting and you are free to attack because that would actually pan out.
Israel did it before Putin
Jennifer Griffin phrased this really poorly. (Fox News isn’t really known for intelligence…) Three ships were fired on, and they returned fire with retaliatory strikes, per USCENTCOM. https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4480437/centcom-protects-us-warships-transiting-strait-of-hormuz/
So, the war isn’t back on, but it’s not off either. For a cease fire, there’s been a lot of firing going on. The US never should have kicked this hornet’s nest.
Attacking ships is definitrly war
I’m seeing different things. Now seeing it being called a surprise attack by the USA which Iran retaliated to.
The order of events is probably going to be disputed for a bit. Most interesting part is that there are some reports that significant damage was done to US military ships.
If sailors are dead, Trump will go nuclear. Not literal nuclear. But still…think he will just yell until they agree to let him go full on invasion.
“Us firing during a ceasefire doesn’t cease the cease fire.” Hegseth probably
Alternative ceasefire
Very misleading title… US responded to attacks…
Where?
Because we are there. And we shouldn’t be.
US says it responded to attacks.
The US lies
I mean Iran has been confirming doing attacks and don’t regard US assets as safe so not a stretch
After the US attacked
Yes?
The argument I am making is that Iran shooting at the US is not a BS claim. Not “Iran has not justification or reason to shoot at the US.”
I mistakenly reply to you instead of the person claiming Iran attacked first
False. Iran responded to attacks
Looks like war is back on the menu!
“CENTCOM confirms Iranian forces fired on U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transiting the Strait of Hormuz.”
I wonder why US ships transiting the strait
They believe they can fix it, with unconsensual intercourses no less.
but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire
What in the fuck? When Iran retaliates, are these people gonna cry that Iran broke the ceasefire?
This is so childish.
They are going to say that literally nothing is breaking the cease fire, unless Iran does something large enough to rile up the US population.
The moment the ceasefire is “broken” they need to go before congress and get their stamp of approval on the war. But so long as they are in a ceasefire, they don’t have to do that.
So they are going to continue with the war, but constantly claim that their acts of war aren’t breaking the cease fire, so they still aren’t at war, so they still don’t need congress.
Straight from Russian playbook. Just straight up lie in front of the whole world. Your fanatics will believe you anyways and the doubters won’t know who to trust.
Where are those Iraqi nukes, George?
If anything, Russia is using the long established playbook belonging to the US.
its been the american playbook since at least the gulf of tonkin which brought us into the vietnam war. its nothing new that donny is getting from his bff putin.
If you think for a moment the government didn’t know some shenanigans was up on the Pearl harbor invasion… Rest assured they knew something was going to happen they didn’t expect Pearl harbor to be it… but the powers that be we’re looking for something to justify the United States entering the war
the pacific side. yeah. i dont disagree.
As a “doubter,” I know not to trust a single word ever said by Trump. The only thing that matters are his actions, because those can be read no matter what he wants me to think.
How to tell if the orange kid-fucker is lying…
…his mouth is open
Not necessarily, he lies via text all the time.
Yes.
Apparently this was a “live tap”. Only a man with the sexual history of Donny the Demented would think that.
Well he probably thinks Qeshm was asking for it by dressing that way …
