This is stupid. It should be a personal morality/ethics/common sense exemption. That way it wouldn’t be discriminatory.
So maybe if I dont want to use AI at work I can LARP that Using AI is sinful
How about an atheist exemption?
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
Now I’m imagining a split in the satanic church, that is an AI satanic church and a non-AI satanic church. AI Satan sounds pretty hellish if you ask me…
FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. “You’re correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye.” <Proceeds to submerge you in searing hot lye>
I remember one is more of a political / atheist group and the other is more so what it says on the tin but I always mix them up. Thanks for the clarification. I’m sure that’s a constant happening.
Oh goodness, what’s that reference? Futurama?
Not quite. They’re both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There’s a good breakdown of the differences here.
To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.
I want a Lucy Liu bot.
Maybe now I can get to know the real Lucy Liu
"You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
AI Satan just lacks the soul of regular Satan, you know what I mean?
Somehow more satanic than satan? If one’s goal is to rebel against Yahweh then forsaking one’s soul given to them by Yahweh would be fitting.
There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They’re called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
Thanks for the link, now this shit would make a good movie. I miss when SF was high on hippie vibes and psychedelics, not glue fumes and adderall.
I wouldn’t consider death cults necessarily satanic although it depends on one’s portrayal of Satan. I have more of a Zoroastrian or maybe David Icke space reptilian view of the Satan character aka the goal is to increase needless and avoidable suffering for all minds anywhere in existence as it’s like a fuel source or food. Then in contrast God or goodness is all things which decrease needless and avoidable suffering and bring minds into states of wellbeing. I think the desire to just end everything like the antenatalists and other such death or doom cults is more Shiva like or maybe Surtr.
I do tend to fall back on basic Buddhist / Taoist philosophy though in that anything done in desire necessitates its opposite. Yin begets Yang type deal. Like the Shiva or Surtr type character wants to destroy but just ends up creating a new beginning, yin becomes yang.
And then there’s their offshoot, the Zizians, which are even crazier. The episodes of Behind the Bastards covering them were wild
Surely my corporate overlords will respect me if I couch my objection in paleoconservative language.
Oh, what’s that? I’m still being shoved into the trash compactor and squeezed for all my surplus labor value, even though I’ve dangled this nifty religious icon in their face? Oh well… I guess my office is just Woke.
That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
Trying to start a long, boring conversation about ethics has worked so far to keep people from forcing their slop machines on me, but it’s nice to know there are options
If I was hiring for my hypothetical construction company I’d have a real easy time picking between an employee who gets the job done and one who refuses to use power tools.
That is a very poor equivalence.
Powertools and machinery still require knowledge on how to do the work properly, account for future maintenance, test for leaks, etc.
Which is not what everyone is trying to do with “AI”. The “tool” is supposed to replace all necessity of trained and knowleadgeable workers and at some point the workers themselves.
I think it’s spot on. Even if you use power tools you need to know what kind of screw goes where. But it sure goes a whole lot faster to use power tools.
Sounds to me from the article that this is a seasoned engineer who just doesn’t want to use the tools she’s being handed.
If a drill started to make things that looked like holes but weren’t, I’d go back to hand tools.
Oh you’d hire the one installing lead pipes and eating asbestos sandwhiches while drinking round-up? Because corporations told me none of those are bad.
No, I’d hire the one using power tools and PEX pipes. Not the one stuck in the 19th century.
This is a strawman argument, and not really related to “ai” in any way.
If i was going to twist this to relate to sloperators though, in your analogy it would be akin to hiring either an old school plumber using hand tools who gets the job done with no leaks, vs a 16 year old kid with a full Milwaukee toolset thats never done a job without causing Significant leaks and damage to clients homes and the businesses reputation.
Again, its not a good comparison either way.
Guys I think I just found religion.
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just “none”, but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was “none”.
It’s because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It’s too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.
Source: I’ve been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
thank god.
I’m considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !
I wonder, those objecting to AI, are they also objecting to using any web search or predictive text features? As I understand it, it’s all just varying degrees of the same math.
Predictive text won’t write a book for you. Nobody has developed psychosis from using a search engine.
Your argument is reductive, like seeing somebody panicking because a hurricane is coming and responding with “What’s the big deal? It’s just a rainstorm!”
Once those who stole all human knowledge and art with 0 repercussions with the intent to sell it back to us either pay every human on earth 100,000 dollars or more, or relieve their ownership of the companies and all land and data centers that go with it, and also make it illegal to use for law enforcement or any surveillance, then it can be used for specific scenarios if needed.
Oh that won’t happen ? Burn it down.
I despise AI, however, religious exceptions for work are stupid.
Go to work for your church/mosque/temple if it’s that important for you.
If you’re a Christian, live like a bird in the field, like Jesus says. Go pick through the garbage can and be content in your righteousness. You’re reward isn’t earthly, but in Heaven, right?
Also it usually it’s just ok for their approved religions, anything else you are being stubborn
I’m not religious but I feel like people should have a right to take their annual leave for their religious holidays, yeah?
People should be able to take annual leave for whatever they want, provided contractual agreements and sufficient advance notice. I don’t understand how any of it needs to do with religion.
Ok well say your company has ten people. One of them is a purpleite and every year the religion celebrates the merging of red and blue, every year - and it coincides with the superbowl. Seven of the ten people want to take that as a long weekend to watch the game. The company can handle this… but oh no! wait, two of the remaining employees are related and share a mother who has people coming after her for personal reasons. She wants to send her kids to somewhere safe so she sends them to west philly. It turns out that’s where the merging happens so the three of them can drive over together. Meanwhile two people have to cancel their superbowl plans to accommodate the purplite. The two related employees get to live safely with their mother’s sister and her husbandi think that this is fine, it sucks for the superbowl crew but that’s not as important as someone’s religion or someone’s family situation. I think if you read this and look in the mirror you will see it all with a fresh understanding.
Maybe I am religious…
In a country where most states are fire-at-will. You don’t have the cultural integrity to effectively use something like this.
