I thought we’d at least get cool shit like Metal Fears or maybe a mister handy but nooooo we hafta get some slop tastic creepy looking shit. Stop making robots look vaguely human, make them look like cats I like cats far more than people and may feel bad about throwing one into a river if it looks like a cat.
And in cat form the vague condescension would be fitting
You shouldn’t just reject things on a visceral level. Thankfully with AI you don’t have to as there so many actual reasons why it’s a bad idea.
Unfortunately, I dont encounter many people make logical arguments against AI. Maybe their reaction is based in logic but they often get hostile based on surface level stuff.
Nah, it’s not intelligent.
Everything we have today wouldn’t be considered AI in science fiction.
Yeah this is where I’m at. Actual movie level AI would be neat, but what we have right now is closer to a McDonald’s toy pretending to be AI than the real deal.
I’d be overjoyed if we had decently functional AI that could be trusted to do the kind of jobs humans don’t want to do, but instead we have hyped up autocomplete that’s too stupid to reliably trust to run anything (see the shitshow of openclaw when they do).
There are places where machine learning has and will continue to push real progress but this whole “AI is on the road to AGI and then we’ll never work again” bullshit is so destructive.
What we have now is “neat.” It’s freaking amazing it can do what it does. However it is not the AI from science fiction.
I think this is what causes this divide between the AI lovers and haters. What we have now is genuinely impressive even if largely nonfunctional. Its a confusing juxtaposition
Folks don’t seem to realize what LLMs are, if they did then they wouldn’t be wasting trillions trying to stuff them in everything.
Like, yes, it is a minor technological miracle that we can build these massively-multidimensional maps of human language use and use them to chart human-like vectors through language space that remain coherent for tens of thousands of tokens, but there’s no way you can chain these stochastic parrots together to get around the fact that a computer cannot be held responsible, algorithms have no agency no matter how much you call them “agents”, and the people who let chatbots make decisions must ultimately be culpable for them.
It’s not “AI”, it’s a n-th dimensional globe and the ruler we use to draw lines on that globe. Like all globes, it is at best a useful fiction representing a limited perspective on a much wider world.
Like, yes, it is a minor technological miracle that we can build these massively-multidimensional maps of human language use and use them to chart human-like vectors through language space
Yeah. Like thats objectively a very interesting technological innovation. The issue is just how much its been overhyped.
The hype around AI would be warranted if it were, like, at the same level as the hype around the Rust programming language or something. Which is to say: it’s an useful innovation in certain limited domains which is worth studying and is probably really fascinating to some nerds. If we could have left the hype at that level then we would have been fine.
But then a bunch of CEOs and tech influencers started telling us that these things are going to cure cancer or aging and replace all white collar jobs by next year. Like okay buddy. Be realistic. This overhype turned something that was genuinely cool into this magical fantasy technology that doesn’t exist.
Yeah, the hype is really leaning on that singularitarian angle and the investor class is massively overextended.
I’m glad that the general public is finally getting on down the hype cycle, this peak of inflated expectations has lasted way too long, but it should have been obvious three years ago.
Like, I get that I’m supposedly brighter and better educated than most folks, but I really don’t feel like you need college level coursework in futures studies to be able to avoid obvious scams like cryptocurrency and “AI”.
I feel like it has to be deliberate, a product of marketing effects, because some of the most interesting new technologies have languished in obscurity for years because their potential is disintermediative and wouldn’t offer a path to further expanding the corporate dominion over computing.
what we have right now is closer to a McDonald’s toy pretending to be AI than the real deal.
This is so we’ll said.
I’m stealing this.
I’m going to use it to explain while I simultaneously have so much derision for modern AI, while I also enjoy it.
I like McDonald’s toys. I just don’t use them for big person work.
Absolutely. Today’s “AI” is as close to real AI as the shitty “hoverboard” we got a few years back is to the one from BttF. It’s marketing bullshit. But that’s not what bothers me.
What bothers me is that if we ever do develop machine persons, I have every reason to believe they will be treated as disposable property, abused, and misused, and all before they reach the public. If we’re destroyed by a machine uprising, I have no doubt we will have earned it many times over.
See: Battlestar Galactica
Worse, no uprising happens and few hundred humans just scale all the enterprises with proprietary AI, disposing of anyone who stands in the way.
Human intelligence is a spectrum. I would say that current LLMs are at about the 20th percentile on that spectrum.
That says more about my opinions on human intelligence than LLM…
Wouldn’t that require the LLM to actually grasp ideas?
Even brain dead people can understand some things
… That’s what they say I’m sci fi movies.
Or in my definition. But hey what do IT experts know, right?
If they were owned collectively so everyone could benefit it would be a lot easier to swallow. If it meant people could retire in comfort and not be destitute without a job that would help, too.
But a wrong answer machine that enriches assholes and convinces them they don’t need humans is not cool.
Its like expanding consciousness for a select few and the implications of that have been disastrous.
Same, I guess. But then I also didn’t really expect the “AI” to be a bunch of overhyped nonsense snake oil bullshit, with tremendous practical and ethical problems… so I’ve got to say I feel pretty comfy with the stance.
Maybe if/when they have actual sentience, but right now I have no problem calling the poor excuse we have currently clankers, as they rightly deserve
Is it the AI itself? Or is it that it’s being forced down your throat despite being an alpha-level (in programming, alpha means very early release with lots of bugs and missing features, and nowhere near production quality) software?
Personally, I like the idea of AI. And occasionally I will find a use for it; i.e. summarizing long texts, or giving me pointers for a complex software problem I need an example for visualizing a potential solution. I do also use an LLM for code completion, and it is actually useful more often than not.
But, this idea that it should write my code for me, or be integrated so deeply in an operating system and other integral software (browsers, email, and search engines), is certainly a line too far and dangerously ignorant of companies to be doing right now.
It’s like legalizing weed but making sure only wealthy cartels get to own them.
Which is PRECISELY what I expect to happen if Trump actually reschedules it. This is why marijuana needs to be descheduled and regulated like alcohol/tobacco.
Well, it’s not AI. It’s theft of your digital data and unblinking surveillance. No reason not to be against that
Ok, I agree, but if “training” AI is how we build these machines, would it ever be anything different?
Sure, just take the profit and control motivation out of the hands of those creating it
Can Lab meat be vegan if the starter culture needs to come from a real animal? After what time does it become vegan? 1 year? 3 years? 50? I think even ai tgat uses stolen art can become ethical again, but not with big corpos behind it.
I always felt the term “humanist” was woefully inadequate and discounts other sentient life, be it organic or otherwise, on earth or otherwise.
Even I hate “AI” (or more specifically: the bullshitting around the current and near-future tech currently being called that)
It’s having grown up on sci-fi that has allowed me to see that LLMs are not “AI”, so there’s no surprise I’m against “imitation AI”.
I thought it would be me, but… I can’t
I always thought cybernetics would be cool. I forgot they’d come from companies like HP that have a subscription service for them and if you don’t pay it they take it back.
Feels like a precursor to Repo. Throw some Cyberpunk 2077 in for good measure.
Ghost in the Shell (specifically the series) is basically that. Lotta characters in shitty industrial type robot bodies because they couldn’t afford a good humanoid one. Often because they had some kind of accident or diesease and needed the body replacement to live.
The worst part is that it’s not really AI
It’s LLMs and it can NEVER be AGI. Fundamentally it cant
It can if you have a different definition of AGI. EZ
Bro it totally can, we just need another billion Nvidia chips running on a megaserver farm, eating up twice the total energetic output of the sun bro. It’s easy bro, don’t be such a downer bro
I am not rejecting them for being robots or AI, but because they are truly shitty garbage right now and nowhere near what I would actually like to see.
I want Data, not the ED-209.
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