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Err, wtf is happening?
Israel and the US have begun their war on Iran with a “regime change” as the stated goal. If they succeed, Israel cements its expansionist goals and the middle east is fucked. If Iran succeeds, Israel is fucked.
There’s a small chance of a stalemate and both give up and we go back to “normal” after a whole lot of death and destruction.
The entire middle east is going to be affected either way, and to a lesser extent the world as energy distribution from the gulf will be effected.
Uhh the middle east has been fucked for centuries. Nothing thats happening will change any of that.
Also, don’t forget, the US attempts to cancel elections due to being in the middle of a war, despite extensive historical precedent of still holding elections during wartime.
I think a “stalemate” is more likely than you suspect - the Iranian and Israeli regimes both benefit from having the other one to demonize. I suppose regime change is the ideal goal, but even just more war to galvanize support around Netanyahu in an election year in Israel is a win for him.
Regime change would probably mean the same thing that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. The invading countries will leave a power vacuum and some extremist group is going to take advantage. In Iraq they had ISIS which required a whole new invasion to stop and in Afghanistan the Taliban is now stronger than before the US invasion.
So, who profits from this?
Also, Trump gets a massive distraction - which he presently critically needs with his approval ratings at the lowest level in either of his presidencies, and the lowest level for the first 100 days of a presidency in 80 years.
Israel primarily, US second.
Please dear god USS Gerald Ford soldiers keep shitting so the carrier is incapacitated and the US can’t invade
I thought this was a pretty good summary of what is happening over there https://www.resistusledwarmovement.com/uploads/1/1/0/0/110020547/full_series_-_iran_hybrid_warfare_weapons_watch_compressed.pdf
this looks pretty biased and doesn’t provide any sources for many claims. I’m not sure it’s a trustworthy assessment.
Other than the historical record of regime change intervention that the us government has been doing for decades?
One can argue that the material seems to be biased when the domain is resistusledwarmovement.com
Orange cunt shaking his shriveled dick covered in shit form his overfilled diaper. Way to go, USA!
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?
I know the history. It’s bitter.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq.
The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
It’s their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to suppress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own
Bullshit made-up Zionist propaganda. Even washington-based NGOs give figures well below the 10.000. Stop spreading fucking Nazi propaganda.
I wonder what causes you to lie, when you have information available that indicates the contrary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025–2026_Iranian_protests
Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked? Then I would understand the desperate need to support any tyrant, as long as they are against Israel.
If I were you, I would critically examine my news sources.
Lmfao the Wikipedia article literally references the 7000 figure I gave you from my link, can you read?
Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked?
Yes, Israel has attacked people like me: with a heart and a functioning brain. Which of the two are you lacking?
Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
Sanctions on Iran pre-date the genocide in Gaza by a long time.
Also, if you’re literally using the same type of propaganda that Putin uses. The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion. Why are you using Putin’s tactics?
The Ukrainian government was bombing eastern Ukraine before the war up to 2022 leading to 3500 civilians killed, and this is Putin’s justification for invasion.
You are miserably misinformed.
Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?
Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.
The casualty numbers due to Ukrainian fire (you forgot to provide casualty numbers through Russian fire - why did you forget? were they too big?) are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes over time.
At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed. At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine, and equipping them with everything from small arms to heavy artillery.
You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.
His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.
Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger. History is complicated but if you want to be adequate at politics, you must understand the topics you speak about.
But it was intense enough to drive 2 million people from their homes
Huh, that reminds me of something. “In 2021, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran published statistics showing that 4,037,258 Iranians were living abroad”. I wonder if the economic sanctions destroying the Iranian life have anything to do with that?
At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine
And how many soldiers and dissidents is the US paying? Does Iran live in isolation without US meddling and intervention? How many anti-Iranian militias are funded in the vicinity by the US? How about the literal training of Al-Qaeda leaders?
You mention “Putin’s justification for invasion”. He was already invading Ukraine in 2022
And the US toppled the democratically elected Mosaddeq government in Iran and reinstated the Shah as far back as 1953. Funny, we only analyze history for Ukraine? Does this fall apart for Iran?
Iran has the right to defend itself.
They can try, but they’re kinda getting their ass kicked
How disgusting that you would talk about this like it’s some soccer match. What an absolutely inhumane thing to write.
“inhumane”[sic]? It’s a perfectly true and very human thing to write. Ever crack open a history book? Like, any history?
Am I incorrect, though?
Yes, you are. Why are you even asking?
That Board of Peace is working really well.
A second FIFA peace prize should fix the situation.
Bored*
The Zionist regime’s thirst for blood cannot be quenched… All my support to the people of Iran, I hope this doesn’t turn to disaster for them the same way it happened in Iraq or Afghanistan…
What is a Zionist and why does one thirst for blood.
the only intellectually worthwhile post i read here so far. thanks!
Ignorance of Zionism is “the only worthwhile post?”
Ya, that tracks…
in fact i embrace it.
Ignorance isn’t something to be proud of.
A racist who hides behind their Judaism and think other peoples land is their god given birthright.
There’s plenty of Christian and secular Zionists too it’s really just settler colonialist ideology that uses supremacy and pseudoscience to justify the genocide and annexation of land from the indigenous population
also there’s plenty of secular antisemitism, usually identifying itself as anti-zionist. Herzliche Grüße!
hides behind their Judaism
Israel and the associated political ideology of Zionism describes the settler colonialist state that relies on pseudoscience, theology and supremisist ideology to justify the genocide and annexation of indigenous lands.
Modern day fascist. This time the “in group” is defined as Jewish Israelis.
Currently in a country with a US base, currently hearing Iran’s missile blasts. Still on Iran’s side
Unfortunately few countries without US bases… I hope you and your loved ones stay safe
You too friend, and I hope things eventually improve without fearful leadership who see the US as the rulers of the world.
Americans think they wont face consequences of their actions, thats why they do this
Retitle this to say the chairman of the bored of peace started WWIII
WWIII has been going on for a while, its just not really affecting north America or western Europe yet but Israel/Gaza/Iran, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine/Russia, and all the conflicts in Africa are 100% connected. Not an official definition or anything, but I’d say if a war affects 3 out of 6 inhabited continents it counts as a world war.
i’d say open sea predation by rivalling armadas on the other’s shipping supply lines and generally more a focus on interrupting the global infrastructure of the opponent would be a characteristic sign of a world war. now this is also contentious, when does an interruption count? only when it’s done through violence?
We’re stopping and confiscating and blowing up ships and boats all over the globe. Seems like we’re being awfully predatory at sea already.
exactly!
Fpr the record, this is not world war three, rather cold war two, the fascist boogaloo, the enemy within. Trademark.
the bored of peace
This name fits that group perfectly
When evil fights evil is this… good?
Only if you believe the Iraq or Afghanistan wars were okay (in which case you’ll have to reasonably argue they were worse the millions killed, wounded and displaced in the process).
Well you’re right… seems to be same. Bad guy attacks bad guy saying to free people. A few years later thousands are dead, no one is free but some of the bad guys made good money.
I guess but i don’t have all facts
Was this your comment when Russia invaded Ukraine after Ukraine killed 3500 civilians in Donbas? I suspect it wasn’t, and rightfully so. Why is this any different?
Average Liberal cheering on the genocidal Israeli ethnostate.
what?
You are seeing Israel commit genocide and are already cheering on their next genocide.
You said a silly thing.
Israel and the US bombed a girls school and killed 40 girls are you proud of yourself?
Are you what they call a troll? I am so excited. But I am afraid to feed :-/
No.
Iran: hey, isn’t it Saturday today?!
Where do we sign up to root for Iran?
For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
Yup. Apparently the Clintons testified in front of Congress yesterday regarding the Epstein files. That’s not high on the list headlines today.
US government protects pedophiles. Their soldiers have no option than to comply.
The land of the free pedophiles.
Yes, they do. American soldiers MUST disobey illegal orders.
This is not clearly illegal. Disobeying these orders would get you a court martial, and they will say it was legal.
It depends on the orders.
Like when they invaded vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela?
Yeah they’ll totally not follow orders…
As the other comment says, these aren’t illegal orders. Wrong? Obviously. I don’t think there’s anything that could possibly make this illegal though. The only potential argument is that only congress can declare war, but that’s been pretty much fucked since the end of WWII. It’s illegal for them to tell you to target civilians. It’s legal for them to tell you to invade some foreign nation, for any reason.
Has Congress declared war? I thought that was the legal avenue for actions such as these.
Congress hasn’t declared war in a very long time. The president was supposed to have limited power to conduct military operations, but that power has been expanded over the past century to essentially remove the need for congress to declare war.
Again, not saying this is good. I’m just saying it’s probably legal.
Yeah, I understand, but I hold on to the notion that if there were representatives with a backbone, these orders would be challenged, with impeachments and other actions rightfully taken.
We need to call this the Pedophile War
I can’t help having the horrible thought that Epstein is our Franz Ferdinand.
Hope for a rapid victory and a regime change to something not-so-obviously-shit in Iran. I hope they know what they’re doing.
Not very probable I guess.
No good outcome is possible from two brutal murdeous authoritarian regimes attacking a third.
Seems like a much better option that all parties involved in a war are brutal, murderous, authoritarian than if one of them wouldn’t be. Like Ukraine.
The Ukrainian government was bombing Eastern Ukraine for years before the invasion, leading to at least 3500 civilians murdered. I suspect this doesnt justify to you the Russian invasion. Why do deaths of Iranians in Iran justify invasion by a genocidal Zionist entity?
Given the US had a second carrier group move up, they think it might take a while
Do you think Israel/America are there to help the Iranian people? How’d that work out in Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya?
Yeah I’m sure the regime installed by fucking Israel and the US will be so much better! 🤡
Americans will say shit like this and then wonder why the world hates them
Utterly ignorant of every previous american attempt at regime change.
Utterly ignorant
Not at all.
Germany and Japan after 1945 went pretty well. Panama 1989 wasn’t too bad. Grenada, 1983. Serbia, 2000, not horrrible. USA had a big influence in South Korea getting rid of its military dictatorship in 1980s. Chile was first a bit of a shitshow, but after 1988 went a bit better.
Their Middle East meddlings have not been so great, admittedly. Defending Kuwait against Iraq went pretty well, but that’s pretty much it. Iran especially went to absolute shit.
WWII is the one exceptional case of american intervention. After that you’re literally scraping the bottom of the barrel. 3 of those were our puppets and the last was a tiny Carribean island.
Let’s look at some of the other examplea
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Syria
- Iraq
- Honduras
- Nicaragua
- Angola
- Namibia
- Chile (putting in Pinochet)
- Vietnam
- Laos
- Iran
- North Korea
- Philippines
- Cuba (Bautista)
There’s certainly more - almost every Latin american nation could be mentioned - but I think I’ve made my point.
Do you really think the Islamic Republic of Iran will fall like Noriega? Please. They’ll have a new Supreme Ayatollah in months and there’s still the entire IRGC to deal with. The Iranian people may not be as theological as their government but they are deeply nationalist. Any criticism of their government is now: “you want our schoolgirls bombed”.
