cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/41590
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
From Mondoweiss via This RSS Feed.
Damn. I expected better reporting from Mondoweiss.
Is this an opinion piece? Because it’s clearly not factual.
Israel is a sick and diseased society.
So is the US. It’s terrifying what propaganda will do to a population.
Israel really blows my mind. Pro or Anti Netanyanhu supporters still want to kill Arabs. Seeing interviews and social media pics of just regular Israelis casually wishing death is still so jarring to me.
Holy fuck they’re all inhuman.
Death to the IDF and all but this article is misleading horseshit. Do better, lemmy.
how about you do better and explain
The people in the surrounding g discussions have already done a better job than I could myself.
I think saying that without explaining what you mean is unhelpful.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the “Israel Democracy Institute” who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.
Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.
They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.
Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people
Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn’t unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.
Founded and funded by people and orgs that have a vested interest in this conflict. Like the heritage foundation polling for gay marriage.
Sure that’s a fair point, but then we’d expect other polls to produce similar results. It’s not like we have to take their word for it.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Iran has claimed on many occasions that Israel shouldn’t exist. Iran is funding groups that target Israeli civilians. Iran used its missile program to launch splitting warheads on Israel to maximize civilian casualties. Iran is trying to develop a nuclear bomb. Most Israelis support a war which would end once Iran will no longer have the means to create and launch a nuclear bomb at them.
So, the obvious conclusion is that Israelis are war junkies.
Hasbara bot.
Let’s test that hypothesis - is there anything I can say that will make you think I’m not a bot nor getting paid to post this?
Say Israel is a settler colonial power created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians and want to exterminate Palestinians either for religious or ethnic reasons and that Israel should unconditionally end settler colonialism by getting out of the west bank, east Jerusalem, the golan height and shabaa farms
Oh, I get it, you don’t actually think I’m a bot or that I’m payed by the Israeli government for this. a “Hasbara bot” is your way of de-legitimizing anyone who doesn’t fully agree with your stance on Israel. Kinda like the equivalent of “everything I don’t like is woke” for MAGA.
All you did was lying to make look like israel is defending itself agsinst the people it colonize.
Why are you unable to say what i told you to say.
You are acting like colonization being bad is a matter of opinion
Could you quote on lie I said?
(it might also worth pointing out Israel didn’t colonize Iran)
Iran seeking nuclear weapons and israel attscking Iran to defend itself . That’s two dirty lies
No we think a Nazi is a Nazi.
You (I’m guessing, but fell free to correct me): Israel writes off every piece of criticism as antisemitic! What a dirty, bad faith dishonest tactic!
You when someone says some criticism against Israel is incorrect: NAZI!!!
If you’re not a bot or getting paid, you should be. It might be worse if you’re supporting genocide pro-bono.
Now now, that’s not in the the Lemmy spirit. https://lemmy.world/post/45328499
I hope you have to explain yourself to murdered children in the afterlife.
I don’t, those children suffered enough.
(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)
“Rhetorical device?”
This is what you’re justifying right now.
Look bibi, we did say Lemmy is a place for everybody, that was our mistake.
Who’s “we”?
All of us.
Your last source has a critical sentence:
Iran began breaching limits imposed by the nuclear deal in 2019, one year after the United States withdrew from the accord.
There’s no proof they breached limits.
Your last source has a critical sentence:
Could you explain why that’s critical? But, like, maybe try for a better explanation than “‘we’ is all of us”.
Actually, let me head you off at the pass:
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The survey OP linked to is from 2025.
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If it was clear Iran didn’t want to develop a nuclear bomb, why was a deal needed in the first place?
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I agree withdrawing from the agreement was dumb.
- I agree withdrawing from the agreement was dumb.
Well, we’re on the same page then.
I know we’re not, but we’re too far apart to ever reach consensus. You think you’re being reasonable but really are just pro-zionist, where I think muslims, arabs and generally non-white people are supposed to live in that area, and the Anglo-American colonisation made a lot of mistakes, and this is one of the biggest ones.
I have huge problems with Islam (well, pretty much every religion really) and the way they treat women and protestors. But Iran has a right to self determination. They are allowed to have a nuke just as much as anyone else. Ideally nobody has one, but since radical zionists have them, and North Korea has them, and Putin has them, they can have them too, because we see with Ukraine what happens when you give that up.
If you make a list of aggressions, you’ll see that Israel is permanently and non stop attacking and provoking every non-white neighbour around it. And they are going mentally fast now, before america completely collapses.
Of course Hezbollah and Hamas are annoying little terrorists. But they aren’t backed and aren’t blackmailing the mightiest nuclear power in the world. They are standing up to a mega bully, and apart from Iran, very few people have their backs.
Iran was never going to have nukes as an offensive weapon, just to establish MAD, because bibi has been wanting to attack them for nearly half a century.
As I said, there is no bridge long and strong enough to connect our viewpoints, but this is mine.
There’s value to a discussion without reaching agreement. I’m actually not trying to convince you, rather to understand you and help you understand me. Which is why I appreciate your reply.
Looking at the situation in Israel by race is wrong to the extent that I actually feel a bit racist. Israel is made of Jews mainly from eastern European and Middle eastern ethnicity. The ones who support the occupation and are generally more right wing are from the middle east (Ben Gvir, the head of the most right wing party in the Israeli parliament was born to Iraqi parents), but the best indicator if someone is pro-peace or pro-war is, surprise surprise, religion.
Realistically, if you make up a list of aggression, it’ll be a long road ending with “does the fact that Jews came to their historic homeland in mandatory Palestine in the goal of having their own state there even though other people were living in that area constitute an act of aggression”. I’d be interested to hear your opinion on that one, but I’m not sure that really matters. The fact is that Israel exists, and the only way it’s going anywhere is if the Arab states will do to it what you’re accusing Israel of doing to them. It’s also worth mentioning that the Jews didn’t chose mandatory Palestine because they like the weather or the view, but because that is where the Jewish people came to be, and they themselves were banished from the area by a colonial power. While this happened hundreds of years ago, at the very least I think it means that the Jews have more “right” to Israel than, say any ex-colonial state (US, Canada, Argentina, Australia etc.).
But lets take for example the closest Palestinians ever came to their own state and Israel came to living in peace - the Oslo accords. They were met with murderous acts on both sides (including the assassination of Israel’s prime minister by a Jewish terrorist), and of course every side viewed the other one as the aggressor and the accords fell apart for the most part. You can’t really put the finger on either side. The blame should go to the extremists on both sides for believing they have a right to the entire area and willing to commit murder in order to try and get it.
I understand what you’re saying about Hezbollah and Hamas, but if your family was kidnapped and tortured by someone, you wouldn’t call them “annoying little terrorists”. That said, you are correct in saying they are weaker than Israel. Which brings me to an important point - let’s say we have two sides engaged in a blood feud, but one side has access to firearms while the other only has knives. Would you say the side with the firearms is the aggressor, or would you say they happen to have a better way of attacking the other side?
Israel, as the stronger side, has a moral duty to restrain themselves and consider the way their actions affect Palestinian civilians. But that doesn’t mean Hamas are excused from any moral consideration, and at the very least have a duty not to target civilians specifically.
I can’t really know what Iran is going to have or what their plan is, but for someone who often states Israel is a cancerous regime that should not exist while also being religious extremists, it’s not unreasonable of Israel to be afraid of a nuclear Iran.
More Zionist bullshit.
Ok. Last response
Israel, as the stronger side, has a moral duty to restrain themselves and consider the way their actions affect Palestinian civilians.
If you only stop there. This has been the case since their formation, and they have never shown any restraint, or understanding for said “moral duty”
But that doesn’t mean Hamas are excused from any moral consideration, and at the very least have a duty not to target civilians specifically.
And this is why you are a zionist apologist. You are the parent that tells their kids “if you get beaten up at school, jesus teaches us to show the other cheek”. I’m the parent that says, if you don’t stand up to a bully, nobody else will do it for you, and once they’re finished bullying you, they will keep bullying others.
And they should be scared shitless about Iran attacking them. Wouldn’t you? After they assassinated your religious leader and an entire school full of girls. And that happened in the first 2 days of the war. And now they are doing the same in Lebanon. Over 300 dead to get a few “terrorists”.
And that’s what they do during wartime. In “peacetime” they go underground and set up elaborate lobby groups like AIPAC and use agents like Epstein to play the long game, so when they do radical genocide like this, the media and the biggest military police force are all in their pocket. All because they believe some vague ancient scribbles and think they own humanity.
Anyway, you’re in the wrong place if you think you’re going to change anybody’s mind here.
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Fair enough, but, like, everything?
It’s ok not to know a few things, but if you don’t know the basic facts of why Israel views Iran as a threat, maybe don’t form an opinion?
Anyway, I edited the original message and added citations.
A threat to israel commiting more genocides and settler colonialism
Lol I know why Israel hates Iran I’m asking where you’re getting these conspiracy theories from.
I literally gave a citations for everything I said, and don’t really know what “conspiracy theories” you’re talking about.
- We trusting Epstein regime media now?
- You know who else funds Hamas? Israel.
- Technically correct, but my understanding is that the multiple warhead missiles Iran used have larger warheads with a lower failure rate, and so aren’t the type of cluster weapons that leave behind unexploded bombs.
- Iran had a ban on making nukes. Do you really think Iran couldn’t do something North Korea and Israel did decades ago if they wanted to?
- Sorry, a bit out of the loop, what Epstein regime media?
- Yes, the current Israeli government is very much anti Israeli civilians (much like the current US government is anti US civilians, cough-ICE-cough).
- Aljazeera stated Iran’s cluster warheads “disperse munitions over a wide area and are particularly dangerous for civilians”. It fits with other sources I read and have no reason to doubt that.
- To answer your question - yes.
- See which country that source is from.
- Fair.
- Cluster weapons are dangerous because they disperse a large number of very small warheads, many of which do not explode immediately and can be triggered by civilians, particularly children, finding them and picking them up. The Iranian missiles have fewer, larger warheads, so most of them do explode immediately.
- Why?
Israel said multiple time they would steal lands even feom arab countries that have peace treaties with israel. Israel said multiple time they want to colonize all palestine and to do it they have the destroy Iran. Iarael is the only country doing war of extermination right now
Yes, and if a survey will find that most Palestinians would be for a war with Israel (provided they think a victory is possible), I wouldn’t call them “war junkie”, I’d say “Yeah, I’d feel the same if I were them”.
Actually, that’s not far off - around 72% of Palestinians showed support for Hamas after the attack on Israel on Oct. 7th that resulted in the murder of entire families, acts of abuse and the kidnapping of 251 Israelis, including children and elderly people.
I’m not bringing this up as an excuse for what Israel did, rather because I had this exact conversation with people who used that survey to say the Palestinians are “genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis”.
Israel is the settler colonial power not palestine . They are not the same.Palestinians hate for israelis is do to 57 goddamn year of occupation and 78 goddamn year of ethrnic cleansing and genocide. Israeli hate for Palestine comes from their supermasist genocidal ideology called zionism. Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel either expulsing palestinians, raping and torturing palestinians or the settlers violence.
Palestinians support Hamas disarming only after colonization end
The only nazis are israelis and zionists like you
I see, when Palestinians abuse, rape and kill Israeli civilians it’s ok because they have a moral right to do so, but when Israelis do it it’s because they’re genocidal maniacs.
So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so? Who decides what’s a “good enough” reason to commit atrocities, the UN? History? Every person/country for themselves? You?
Also, calling someone a Nazi for saying Israelis aren’t war junkies is a bit unhinged.
Abuse, rape and killing is never accepted. You been ignorinf 78 godamn year of israel doing that. That’s why I support the end of occupation and the “denazification” of Israel unlike people like you who justify settler colonialism by saying palestinians want to kill all israelis too . You the same type of scums who was saying black south african would kill killing white south africans after apartheid end or the scums who would both side the slaves and slave owners after Nat turner groups of slave killed slave owners including children
You are a nazi for both siding the settler colonial power and the victims of the settler colonial power
You also shamelesly lying sbout irsn seeking nukes and act like the Iran on Iran is purely defensive
You seem to be trying to force a straw man of some “zionist” caricature you have without trying to understand what I’m actually saying.
I didn’t say Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. I said that a survey that shows that 72% of Palestinians support atrocities done to Israelis (which is an actual survey that was done by a Palestinian research center) DOES NOT mean they want to kill all Israelis. I literally said I’d feel the same way if I were in their shoes.
I provided a link to the arms control association that states “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently”. These are facts that have been verified, and even Iran’s own head of the Atomic Energy Organization has admitted they have enriched uranium to 60%.
You are the one who used a straw man. I said how Palestinians hate comes from 78 goddamn year of occupation then replied by asking me so you support Palestinians murdering innocent Israelis.
Chris Sidoti UN commissioner agree with me there is no equality between an occupying power and an occupied people. By saying both side are the same they hate each other you are promoting the status quo which is Israel continuing settler colonialism
Iran respected the jcpoa and waited 3 years before enriching to 60% they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t. It is simply a bargaining tool nothing else to deflect from Iran real power which is their conventional missiles and drones project . There is a fatwa prohibiting the creation of nukes. Supreme leaders fatwa are legally binding. Even the usa intelligence said Iran is not seeking nukes. You are just spreading Netanyahu propaganda because you are a dirty Zionist
This got to be the level of head shaking that can break a neck and dislocate shoulders.
The bloodlust is real
🤦♂️
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
Misinformation. There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.
Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.
The fact that it’s a minority means that the article is barely exaggerating. If they slapped the word majority or major majority infront of their statements and it made it accurate then you can’t even call them a liar.
There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran.
How many?
At least one
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/3/3/ofer_cassif_knesset_israel_iran_war
Which is enough to mark this article as incredible
“The entire political spectrum” doesn’t mean “every single person ever,” or even “every single politician ever.” The implication is only that the statement applies to all political segments of the population. If the left, right and center (and any other significant political blocs) mostly agree on something, then the whole political spectrum supports it, even if some people don’t.
That’s literally not what it means.
There is people that oppose it. there is politicians that oppose it. The entire political spectrum isn’t discrete. It’s a spectrum. That’s literally what a spectrum means.
I was inclined to agree with you but he has a point. The entire spectrum supports it, not everybody in said spectrum needs to support it for the statement to be true.
The point is not that
∀s∈S∃f(s) and g(s) | f(s)∈[0,1] and g(s)∈[0,1], it’s that∀y∈[0,1]∃s∈SI like your funny words, magic man
you know you finally demonstrated a reasonable use for the keys on the number row (i prefer tenkey for numbers anyways) and coding in logic ascii would be perfect. i just need to make myself some keycaps. and the library with the 3d printer is just a 7 hour bikeride away…
Fwiw, i’m using unknown-keyboard on android. You can add a button for the greek/math symbol layout in the settings.
I was told there would be no math
At least one
Saying that there’s at least one israeli politician who opposes the war, therefore Israel is not a war-mongering country, is like saying that wildfires aren’t dangerous because there’s at least one house that doesn’t burn down.
Down with Knesset!
Bashing the limited opposition inside israel against this horrifying war while asking for a nuke as a “cure” is pretty zynic.
Its obviously wrong what Israel is doing and the have to be stopped. Its very important to keep in mind that every Nazi and even Hitler, Trump, Putin an Netanyahu are/were humans. Its Humans which do those things. Dont make yourself belive just because you are not them, non of your wishes could be as brutal as theirs.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran
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An Israeli poll in early March showed that a whopping 93% of Jewish Israelis supported the war of aggression on Iran.Wow, did this not get passed by an editor?
93% is an overwhelmingly majority. It literally is not the entire Israeli political spectrum.
This article is factually inaccurate from the first few sentences
93% with a 5% error margin is overwhelmingly close to 100%.
I’d say the editor was pretty fair in the phrasing.
and the institute that did the polling was founded and funded by a Trump mega donor.
“Trump Institute Finds Broad Support For Trump’s War Exactly Where They Left It” fixed the headline.
Entire political spectrum means people from the far left, left, centre, right and far right support it (entire spectrum)… not that every single person does.
The entire country is sick to its core. Death to pissrael. All of it.
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