The telegraph is a rag.
Good. Someone needs to stand up to Trump.
If it’s America, just shoot. No need for questions at this point.
Greenland is an important indicator for world climate health, don’t support any dangerous idea there pls. Try Choosing alternate methods.
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Spears, pikes, cavalry charges. It’ll be glorious. World went to shit eversince we stopped using pieces of metal to hit one another on the head.
don’t support any dangerous idea there pls
Dangerous idea like rolling over for fascists? Surely just one more illegal invasion and they’ll stop.
That sounds like something you should take up with the Danish Ministry of Defense.
Or maybe Trump who is causing all this shit
I have far more faith in the Danish MoD, but I certainly admire your optimism
We shot and thought it was self explanatory.
Other nations need to follow your lead.
Good. Do not let these pigs have their way.
We’ve secured the oil fields, as Hitler failed to do, now we take most of this hemisphere. Europe cannot build a strike force without the US military watching every single boat.
The US deploys hunter-killer subs in the Atlantic, it’s over. Europe won’t be able to land a fucking kayak. Also, we have boomers capable of ending life on this planet. And no one knows where the deadliest weapons mankind has ever devised lay. (Boomers, nuclear warhead delivery platforms, with multiple bombs per missile, not old people.)
Miller was right, we’re taking Greenland and there’s jack shit anyone can do about it.
Americans: If it wears a uniform and carries a gun, it is a legitimate target. Shoot back. What are they gonna do? Kill you first? I’d rather die second.
Ah those pesky Boomers. Why bother with thermo-nuclear weapons when you can use a Boomer from 1946-1964.
You might be right that the usa has the military means to conquer Greenland, but Europe has the means to make it not worth it
This is exactly it. There is only one force in the world that can take out a US aircraft carrier, and that’s the non-US part of NATO.
Yes, the US has nuclear subs that can stay underwater forever, but they’re noisy. They don’t have stealthy subs like Sweden, Netherland or many other European countries have. NATO exercises have shown that even one of these subs can wipe out most of a carrier group.
Greenland is far from the US; they’ll have to send a carrier. NATO can sink that carrier. How will Trump look if he loses a carrier?
The only thing necessary for this scenario is for the EU to finally grow some balls.
Even my shitty-shit country - Portugal - which most definitelly can’t afford the costs of a single aircraft carrier even though it has a massive exclusive economic area in the Atlantic and Mediterranean, some years ago had a submarine win a NATO exercise when it popped up undetected in the middle of the carrier group.
Even with its main focus of “force projection” being on Trade rather than Military power, Europe is a whole different beast to face militarily than Latin America, and not just because it’s far more likely to be united in its response.
This is probably why Trump hasn’t invaded Greenland yet - his military people know very well it would be a very different story militarily and his diplomats know it would be a very different story in terms of the broader consequences.
I think modern Navies are mostly useless. Between drones and stealth submarines they can all be sunk basically immediately. Honestly this could make it difficult for Europe to intervene at all
Unfortunately the US has the capability to move troop to Greenland by air. It’s how it moved most things into Afghanistan. A country much further away.
Truthfully they could launch ballistic missiles from the mainland and then follow with aircraft, paratroopers, etc. The existing bases provide airfields.
I say this not because I want it, but because it’s possible and that’s frightening.
You’re absolutely right, but the US is not right next door to Greenland, and Greenland’s allies include Canada. When the US attacked Afghanistan, it had tons of allies. All of NATO was on their side, they had air bases they could use everywhere. Afghanistan had no allies and no capabilities to do much about the US.
Greenland is different; if they attack by air, Canada would by NATO treaty be obliged to shoot them down. And Canada has plenty of defenses against ballistic missiles, because they were basically the US’s northern flank during the cold war.
If the rest of NATO stays united, this would be a disaster for the US. Of course war within NATO would be terrible for Europe and Canada too. The only winners here would be Putin and Xi.
Well, sorta.
The US’s main power projection strategy is still (and has been for decades) to have an aircraft carrier group parked about 1000km away from the coast of whichever nation they’re attacking, pouding their target with airpower and cruise missiles whilst being far out enough that most cruise missiles can’t even reach them and those which can take so long that the carrier group has plenty of time to prepare and defend itself.
The Chinese and the Russians both developed hypersonic missiles exactly to counter that, as such missiles get there much faster so the carrier group has maybe half a minute of advanced warning to try and take them down rather than 10+ minutes.
This strategy has been very successful against militarilly second and lower tier nations, which is why the US has been using it since the first Iraq war.
However, for all its underinvestment in its military, Europe isn’t second tier (and neither is China).
As for the second part of your post, “boots on the ground” is exactly were the US massivelly sucks beyond the initial invasion stage: they’re great at getting there and breaking shit up whilst completelly sucking at actually holding territory. Personally, from the videos I’ve seen of US troops trying to “create good will with the locals” in places like Afghanistan, they seem to be completelly shit at understanding and respecting the way of life of the locals and they reeking with a mindset of “I’m a member of a superior civilization trying to civilize the barbarians” (which, as an European, I find hilarious, since America isn’t actually all that culturally or societally civilized - especially in treating people as actual human beings - compared just about all European countries).
All this to say that the US invading Greenland would succeed, but directly cost the US far more than even Afghanistan and in a far shorter time, and they would almost certainly lose control of it in at most a decade or two, not least because they totally suck at getting the locals around to support them: trying to take on the most hardcore and resilient of the descendants of the Vikings in a land which in some ways is the polar equivalent of Afghanistan - huge, harsh and with massive uninhabited and hard to occupy areas - whilst the people there don’t at all feel they have an inferior culture to America’s (so they’re hardly attracted by the prospect of becoming American citizen) seems to me like an impossible task.
The real problem with Greenland is it being worth taking back. It has a population of 50k. The biggest town has a population smaller than all but the most rural towns in most countries. The expenditure of untold quantities of money and unknown numbers of lives to re-take it is going to be hard to swallow for most of NATO.
The issue is the US can park a carrier at the northernmost part of Maine and be about 1,200 km from the largest city in Greenland. So still within range.
I also think Afghanistan is a poor comparison. The US never intended to conquer the nation. It wanted to setup a puppet government. It also didn’t throw the full military force at it.
Truthfully we’ve never seen the US engage in a total war to conquer a nation.
If the US threw everything it had at Greenland they could take over most major cities within days. Likely before Denmark/the remainder of NATO could mount a response.
Now that being said effectively patrolling all of Greenland probably wouldn’t be realistic. This would allow for counter insurgency, which is effective against the US typically. Although I doubt this government would give up based in that. More notably the vastness of Greenland will give Denmark and allies an opportunity to establish a foothold to reclaim Greenland.
The best thing Denmark and its allies could do right now is to put more defenses in Greenland. Make it impossible for a quick strike to topple it.
Ideally defensive posturing would discourage an attack entirely. If it doesn’t it would save Denmark and it’s allies more lives while costing the US more.
Either way if the US does invade it will be a lot of pointless bloodshed.
Also unrelated to the war bit, but Greenland is mostly populated by native peoples. Not the descendants of vikings (although there is certainly a percentage that are)
Truthfully we’ve never seen the US engage in a total war to conquer a nation.
Ahem: Vietnam.
Also I think you’re missing a massive point here: You can’t “topple” Greenland by totally destroying or taking over Greenland because it’s part of Denmark and the seat of the Danish Government isn’t there, nor are their main military assets, and this is before you even consider their European allies.
If Greenland was a country relying only on itself, it would totally make sense that it could be taken by just taking its major cities, but it’s not, it’s an independent region of Denmark, a country which in turn is allied with almost all other European countries.
The US can invade and totally crush Greenland’s big cities and that will still do very little to crush resistance because that’s not were most of it will be coming from. This also brings us around the whole carrier group thing: the carrier group would be how the US would be trying to stop the feeding of resistance in Greenland from Europe, since that would be coming from the very opposite side of the island (and as “islands” go, Greenland is huge, with 25% of the area of the US, so that’s a pretty insane task).
IMHO what the Greenlanders and more in general the Danish should be doing is not to try and stop the elements of warfare that the US does best - such as the actual initial invasion - but actually try and make that as costly as possible whilst at the same time setting up the conditions for a long term Resistance effort from the areas outside the cities to turn Greenland into a graveyard for American soldiers, something which is far more likely to end up with an outcome like Vietnam were the daily procession or american coffins turns an overwhelming majority of the population against the War and the end result was that America ultimatelly lost it.
Finally on the last point, fighting Greenland is fighting Denmark and there are way more people in the rest of Denmark than in Greenland. That said you are right that many (if not most) of the people living in Greenland who know the whole place including the hardest and most remote areas, are probably descendants of the Innuit rather than of the Vikings (both people colonized the place).
What is wrong with you? Do you even realize you’re talking about armed robbery or does that simply not register? You’re gleefully advocating for murdering other people who’ve done nothing to you so you can steal their shit, as if that’s some God-given right.
What happened to ‘Thou shalt not kill’, ‘Thou shalt not steal’ and ‘Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house’?
Thou shalt not mention me being a hypocrite
Ah yes. The notorious eleventh conservative commandment.
It says “thou” not “I” is what they take from this probably.
I didn’t read their comment as advocacy but hopelessness.
Reading it again with that perspective in mind it’s possible, if far from clearly the case.
Of course, seeing as how I’m Danish, I’m hardly unbiased. I freely admit that I’m getting more than a little tired of people talking about my impending violent death at the hands of a supposed ally, especially one for which we’ve already shed more than enough of our blood.
It’s entirely possible that I’m losing what little patience I had left for American idiocy.
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Even at half strength Russia isn’t taking Alaska. Unless they give up on Ukraine entirely
Ahem
Vietnam and Afghanistan. You couldn’t win against countries that had almost nothing, if not the desire to defend themselves. Do you think it would go better against NATO?
I don’t get why americans think they’re the most hardcore motherfuckers out there. They keep losing to people in 30 year old Toyota Hilluxs in the middle of a desert, and people hiding in holes in the jungle with sticks covered in poop.
Sure, they have the capability to destroy every single living thing in the world, but as long as that isn’t profitable for them, they won’t actually do it.
This chud is absolutely lost in the sauce.
Anyone have a link beyond the paywall?
Headline needs to calm the fuck down.
The whole thing is so absurd. How exactly would an American invasion happen? What are they going to attack?
There’s a meeting between Denmark and USA next week. Anything you read on news and social media in the meantime is speculation or fear mongering.
No. It’s good people finally take Trump serious and something like this is the only answer he understands.
Blockade until capitulation.
You’re either very optimistic or very naive. How exactly would an American invasion happen? Just like every other American invasion…
You should go listen to Trump’s speeches. It’s likely posturing, but now we’ve seen how desperate and backed into the corner he is, it’s hard to say what he will do next.
The American people have lost any semblance of control over our leadership.
it might be in the best interest of the United States (as a citizen myself) to vote that the U.S. become a part of Denmark with a 5-7 year hold on voting rights to any changes to current tax law or healthcare laws. 5-7 years from now hearing you will pay $600/month for healthcare to vote in U.S. conservatives with no actual benefits may teach some people something.
I’d rather not. I can’t watch his speeches without throwing up.
It also doesn’t matter what he says. Words means nothing to him.
" … that’s how America does it … "
The Johnathon Ross Doctrine.
A lot of debate on this in Denmark. Not a shared opinion amongst the people or political parties. Law might be in place but it’s another thing to inact it. Denmark won’t stand a chance anyway.
Press (x) for doubt, and the IS Base in Greenland, they can just take down the fence and say “all of your land belong to us”
Denmark’s Parliament on Wednesday approved a bill to allow U.S. military bases on Danish soil, a move that comes as President Donald Trump seeks to take control of the kingdom’s semi-autonomous territory of Greenland.
Please shoot first. Let’s kick this thing off. For the record, I’m not for taking Greenland via force.
I just read that Rubio is coming to visit. They could prove their resolve by shooting him first.
That would really kick things off. Maybe they will shoot Little Marco in the face.
ICE-style
I’m all for the sentiment. But embarrassing him would send a better message to the world stage.
Imagine Rubio lands and is greeted by a lei of green flowers.
Good for them! If you have an armed military coming in to steal your land, you have no other choice but to fight to the death.
Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.
Just adding: because he is a a MEGA PEDO WHO RAPED CHILDREN AND THIS IS ALL BECAUSE HE WANTS PEOPLE TO FORGET ABOUT THE EPSTIEN FILES
Thanks, I haven’t seen this repeated in the last 15 minutes, and it’s important to keep this front and center.
Also, not just Trump. All Conservatives are MAGA, and all MAGAS are PedoCons.
Those files for certain implicate much of the GQP establishment and Trump otherwise they’d have no trouble releasing it for the few liberals that are on there compared to them.
Also because it’s far easier to justify suspending democratic processes by pointing at an ongoing military crisis and making emergency laws.
We’ve never cancelled an election, not even during the first Civil War, so we will NEVER accept any excuses for cancelling elections, not military actions, not civil unrest, not nothin’.
So please don’t even hint that there is a scenario that would be acceptable to suspend elections. That is a BRIGHT RED LINE that can NEVER be crossed. That violates our Constitutional/ Social Contract to a fatal degree, signalling the end of American Democracy, and the start of Civil War.
Good. Let’s hope that conviction is never put to the test, but I wouldn’t put it past him to try.
Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.
All while whining that he should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Did anyone ever explain to him that the Peace in the Peace Prize doesn’t stand for “Piece Of Ass” in the Epstein way?
He thought it was a piece of pie.
This is idiotic. Denmark gave US right to freely access it’s military bases. They signed new treaty in 2023 and further approved US military bases on their soil in 2025! How will they know US is invading them when US has legal right to access their military installations and can request the use private land in Denmark? They will shoot first and ask if they were Americans later?
How will they know US is invading
Counterpoint. How will the US know they have taken Greenland. What will be different?
Resource and mineral rights.
The first sign will be that when Denmark pulls out of the treaties and tells US to leave they will just ignore them. This will show that Denmark doesn’t really control the territory. That’s why Denmark didn’t do it yet. As long as it’s just talk they can keep pretending they can somehow defend themselves.
What US can do to prove they actually have taken the territory is to stage some confrontation, for example start mining there without permission. Will Denmark shoot the miners? Will they send police? Military? What if US military defends the miners? Clearly Denmark will not “shoot first and ask questions later” in this situation but US can show they have effectively taken over.
In the end it really depends on what US want’s to achieve here. If they just want resources proving that they can access them at will would be enough,if they want to use if for military operation they just have to prove Denmark can’t kick them out, if they want to control their economy (which I doubt) they will have to kick out Danish administration and force citizens to pay taxes to IRS and if they want to humiliate EU they just have to change it on the maps and show that EU can’t do anything about it.
They have to request the use of private land and obviously most of Greenland and Denmark is not a US military base.
But they can freely access their military bases. And US has their own military bases in Greenland. So who Greenland is going to shoot exactly? The airplanes flying to US bases in Greenland? The soldiers legally entering Dutch military bases?
Also:
“When requested, the Danish Executive Agent shall make reasonable efforts to facilitate temporary access to and use of private land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields), and public land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields) that are not a part of an Agreed Facility and Area, including those owned or controlled by Denmark or by local authorities, by U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, and Danish contractors for use in support of U.S. forces. U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, or Danish contractors shall not bear the cost of such facilitation”
US can request access and Denmark has to facilitate it if possible. They can’t just deny it because they don’t feel like it. That’s the 2023 agreement.
“U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, Danish contractors, dependents, and others as mutually agreed are authorized unimpeded access to and use of Agreed Facilities and Areas for visits; training; exercises; maneuvers; transit; support and related activities; refueling of aircraft; bunkering of vessels; landing and recovery of aircraft; temporary maintenance of vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; accommodation of personnel; communications; staging and deploying of forces and materiel; pre-positioning of equipment, supplies, and materiel; security assistance and cooperation activities; joint and combined training activities; humanitarian and disaster relief activities; contingency operations; construction in support of mutually agreed activities”
agreements with the US don’t mean shit anymore, the US has shown that. everything is null.
So we should just declare all international laws null? Yeah, that’s a great idea.
no, all agreements with the US can be ignored, since the US has already decided and shown it will do whatever it wants regardless of existing agreements / laws
It’s generally agreed across the entire world that if you enter a contract with someone and that person breaks the terms of said contract, you are no longer beholden to those terms.
I assume these things are authorized or announced in some way. If paratroops start falling or landing craft are launched that’s a good indicator.
What is idiotic is the bullshit that the paedo in chief is trying to pull.
It doesn’t matter what Denmark signed 3 years ago now that the other side is threatening an invasion.
Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.
If any us person in Greenland has to ask themself “am I necessary?”, then they aren’t. And should leave.
If the us population doesn’t like it then they should do something about the russian stooge they’ve enabled to be president (twice).They voted to permit US military bases on Dutch soil in 2025, AFTER Trump started talking about taking over Greenland. So Trump made idiotic demand and they rolled over. Now they are trying to play tough. It’s just pathetic.
Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.
Yeah, they could unilaterally pull out of those treaties but they didn’t. Until they do talking about “shooting first” is just idiotic.
You know what they should actually do? Not some “we will go to war” fantasy but actual action they could take today? ASML, the only manufacturer of modern photolithography machines in the world, is a Dutch company. Like 70% of US stock market is now AI. Without ASML US economy collapses. They could say “in case of invasion we will stop exports of ASML equipment”. They didn’t. My only explanation for this is that they are stupid (and/or controlled by foreign agents). It’s just bunch of idiots letting orange paedo do whatever he wants without consequences.
It doesn’t matter. They’ve gone from “We might bully you” to “We have the right to take anything we want from any other country”
And as with any bully you should stand up to them and never back down. It matters fuck all about contracts and treaties and agreements.If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.
If you want to cower behind ‘agreements’ then you can. See how that works out for you.If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.
More appropriate analogy would be that you gave your neighbor a key to your home and now you’re saying that when he breaks into your home you will beat him up him but he can keep the key and can enter whenever he wants.
“Breaks in” is the important part. Since he has a key your statement is an empty threat but let’s you feel in control.
Again, it doesn’t matter.
I could carve a decree in stone that is witnessed by Satan himself that that any neighbour could break in to my house if they want to. It would still be shitty behaviour on their part if they did it, and they should not be shocked if I fight back.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You’d be surprised to learn that Denmark is not really The Netherlands. What the unrelated country had done in 2025 likely has no relation to what Denmark is experiencing.
Fuck, Danish…
As my excuse, English is confusing and it’s not my first language. My point still applies to the whole EU though. They have huge leverage over US but are too divided and cowardly to use it.
from what I understand, they also make it pretty easy for American companies to buy licenses to mine whatever they want from the ground
there is no good reason to occupy the country. it makes no sense
The reason is to humiliate and subjugate Europe.
what if they didn’t want to buy the licenses? what if they just wanted to take everything?
what if the US is the new nazi germany and just needs lebensraum for a post-climate change world?
so many questions, who can say
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