these are so far out of my experience as to seem unreal but then I see the path my society is going and this appears to be a destination that some people want.
May she rest in peace…
Quick import them in mass in european and society and go complaining about “men” after
You’re a fucking idiot and should feel bad for existing. Your entire post history is garbage.
How the rate rape going on in the country they are mass imported ? Am I wrong to say I dont want live with thoses ppl make society with them ?
Yes, you are wrong.
No one people or group are a monolith. The sooner idiots like you genuinely process that, the better off we’ll be in the future.
A country that doesn’t even think man and women are equal have infinite higher probability of having ppl that think the same.
I dont care about your monolithique argument. U wont eat some things I offer you if say some are poisonous but some aren’t. Dont judge them all
User tagged as “irrelevant”
Eat shit and go to hell.
Lot of insult nobody being qbble to say I’m wrong. How the rape rate is going where they were mass imported ?
I’ll say this: it isn’t going to be important because despite what fascists say Western countries have very, very restrictive immigration policies and zero tolerance for all this crap.
Meanwhile fascists do their own human trafficking of both white and non-white people to line their own pockets, all while advocating for the same shit these kiddie Diddlers and murderers do.
The only thing they give a fuck about is the color of the perpetrator’s skin like that Family Guy meme.
Illegal immigration is littéral humain trafficking
It s tolerated and I pay taxe for them to be welcome.
It s the only morale stance on that matter to be aggainst it.
aww, you tried to be edgy.
I think women should not flee from such households before doing a few necessary things to enact collective punishment on their collective opressor - the family - via suitable methods.
It’s not hard to figure out how to do maximum damage. The mistake of opressing a woman should be remembered in the family for decades.
I agree but it seems to me that they have so few rights that I think they’ve largely been rendered incapable in these fucked up families.
Are you seriously man-splaining
Islam not being mentioned even once, funny.
So you’re saying this is exclusive to Islam.
Nope, I am not. Non sequitur, nice try.
Then why did you bring it up specifically?
It’s the religion of peace!
The recent push in NC to essentially allow people to murder women that try to abort their pregnancy is based on an extreme distortion of Christianity. It’s fair to say this is the current state of the religion and it’s fair to say this is an unholy bastardization of the religion. In either of these extremes it’s clear that someone’s ideology is taking priority over their humanity.
Exactly
As a non-american, it took me a detour to the all-feed to recignize NC. I agree with everything you said, and I don’t want to - in any form or shape - absolve the misanthropic facists or their spitefilled useful, radicalized idiot “soldies” by pointing out this religion.
I do however take an issue in the “unholy alliance” (europes) “left” has made with Islam some time ago. This alliance is implicitly understood by basically everyone, but only solemnly mentioned (especially in a critial light) in left circles, although I read some excellent essays about it.
I do however take an issue in the “unholy alliance” (europes) “left” has made with Islam some time ago.
You mean allowing refugees to enter? God forbid…
By “extreme distortion” don’t you mean “following the supplied manual”? Isn’t the peace and love hippy shit the actual distortion? Yahweh is a spiteful, vengeful, mean god after all.
God is, but he clearly says in the bible vengeance is his domain (Romans 12:19) and humans aren’t allowed to do it. That’s the kinda dick he is.
I understood it directly incited stonings
After running away from her first marriage (she was married at 13). She finally got a divorce and then was told to marry her cousin who was literally coming out of prison.
How can someone care so little for their own kids. Absolutely vile.
That’s islam for ya
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology “for ya”. You don’t seem to have the mental capacity to process that, so just try to talk to people you disagree with more, and widen your horizon.
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology
What do you think islam is?
As I said, you don’t have the mental capacity to process what’s wrong with your comment. Try to evolve a bit.
Stop being in denial, it’s all over most holy books, and especially the one that condoned this specific murder.
You’ll understand one day instead of whatever this is you’re doing here.
It’s a good thing we’ve got you here to tell people they’re stupid and should evolve.
But you didn’t say that. You said “No” it wasn’t islam, then you described islam.
How does this describe Islam specifically and not any religious group with fundamentalists?
You’re right!
I’ll happily condemn any ideology (not just religious ones) that teaches people it is okay to force underage girls into marriage and murder them when they try to escape.
Did you have one in mind?
Were you aware that child marriage is legal in most of the US and attempts to close state level loopholes are fought tooth and nail, often successfully, by Evangelicals? The form of child rape we’re more familiar with isn’t better than people halfway across the world doing the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States
Yes, I was.
Disconnecting religion from law & institutions was a brutal process that took centuries here in Europe, and it is very disconcerting to see organized religion exerting an increasing influence in society. In the US it is less “freedom from religion” (like we have here) and more “freedom of religion” (please pick one).
Don’t feed the trolls
More of a question for the two dozen or so people upvoting the comments. Even if they’re trolling (and not just an islamophobe), there’s clearly a fair number of people that think these are reasonable opinions to hold. Getting people to think about the beliefs they hold is an important part of reducing -phobic behavior in general.
Religion is an ideology that brainwashes.
What is the difference? Religion is brainwashing.
No, that’s people brainwashed by ideology “for ya”.
That’s just a long way of saying “islam”
That’s brainwashing for ya*
~25% of all humans are Muslim, do you seriously think every single one agrees with this?
A good example is that only a tiny part of Christians are pedophiles but you, based on the logic in your comment, think all of them are.
Islam isn’t the issue, extremism and shitty humans is. The vast majority of Muslims think this is just as fucked up as we do, because the vast majority of humans are just like us.only a tiny part of Christians are pedophiles
I’m pretty sure Christians are pedo at the same rate as the population at large. The issue there (apart from them being pedophilic) is that the Catholic Church has a tendency to protect them - forgive and forget, and all that.
That’s extreme ideology for ya.
If this passes I hope politicians that restrict pregnant women’s access to food, shelter, and medicine have their affairs in order.
Nope. Thats just religious extremism for ya.
For example 36 white American Christians in Oklahoma just voted against ending child marriage and they quoted the Bible as their reason
"Rep. Derrick Hildebrant quoted Hebrews 13:4, questioning “Hebrews 13:4 – ‘Let marriage be held in honour among all.’ Does ‘among all’ now only mean those who are 18 and older?”
And here’s another white Christian proposing a bill to give the death penalty to woman who seek abortions. He serves on the board of a church in north carolina.
“The legislation, backed only by Republican state Representative Keith Kidwell, would classify abortion as first-degree murder and open the right of another person to defend the life of the unborn baby** as they see fit.**”
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-bill-deadly-force-stop-abortions-north-carolina-12005136
“Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”
You do realize that “Christianity bad” doesn’t mean that “Islam bad” is false, right?
Both can be true at once.
I will however dispute that it is a question of extremism. The fact is that a majority of muslims, globally, hold views that I would consider to be misogynistic (feel free to update me on that if there is a more recent global study with the same scope).
If something is the norm in a group rather than a fringe idea, it can hardly be considered extremism. Given that Islam has many of these misogynistic values close to its’ core, it isn’t particularly shocking either.
As such, considering the above, I consider Islam to be bad on the whole. Note: this doesn’t mean that someone is inherently “bad” due to being muslim, or that “good” muslims don’t exist - I am acquainted with a few.
Christianity is barbaric, cruel and hateful
Judaism is cruel, barbaric and hateful
Islam is barbaric and hateful and cruel
They’re all fucked
What’s happening in the middle east would be happening regardless of their superstition. It’s a region that has always been unstable, and WWI & II resulted in the west trying to drag them into their sphere of influence to take the oil
But I’d like to see the people who did this burn slowly, as well as anyone in the world who thinks it’s ok
Yeah and they’re all pretty much the same religion they worship the same god of abraham and each version inherits older versions books, Christians revere moses and Muslims also revere jesus. Im not sure there’s much they actually disagree on besides various rules on eating meat.
Misogyny doesn’t automatically mean ritualistic murder, dude.
For the same reason that American Christians would be a gay person to death and then argue the gay panic defense in court.
They’ve been raised to believe that these made-up rules for their imaginary friend are a more important consideration than the reality right in front of them.
And gay hate is even explicitly laid out in the quran. It’s not a “fringe” thing in the least.
I would still feel sad that I had to kill my daughter to uphold those rules… Not fucking dance in the street. Unless it’s also in the rules: “and you’ll like it”. 🤪
That’s why need strict migration policies to prevent those views from coming to europe…
hey look! racism isn’t just in America anymore!
the europoors are gonna be pissed.
It’s always been a universal human failing.
TIL failing is when you want to protect your society from those who sell women into sexual slavery, refuse those women education and then murder them for being rape victims.
what the fuck are you talking about?
Try reading the article, then read the comments in the comment chain in order.
If you’re still lost on what I’m talking about please consult a doctor regarding your cognitive decline.
this whole subthread was about racism. it had nothing to do with whatever you said.
It was about migration and not allowing people who treat women like this into Europe but you’d know that if you could recall more than one comment at a time.
I wasn’t aware the AFD was formed outside Germany or by immigrants. Same ideology, different flavor.
That’s the amount of control over women that American conservatives dream of.
Our species is the worst.
Thankfully, we seem to be intent on ensuring our environment makes us extinct.
Indeed. I’m so glad I never had kids.
On the flip side, I’m glad I did. They fulfill my life in more ways than I could have imagined.
That doesn’t make either one of us right of course, I’m glad you’re happy with your decision because I’ve met those in the past who regretted it. Mine don’t want them either, well at least for now.
What it does make us is CAMPIONES…sorry, wrong place.
How are you today anyway
I edited this too, I added a sentence in the centre
What kind of life are they going to have facing climate disaster, the end of democracy and the emergence of technofacism, but hey, you got yours, right?
Regardless what happens in the future I’ll wager theirs isn’t as miserable as yours, currently.
I hope your day gets better.
That’s the point, it’s likely going to get much worse.
For you
I sort of feel like if you choose to dance to celebrate the death of your innocent teenage relative, then you, along with whatever culture spawned you, don’t really deserve to exist.
Yeah it’s easy to think that but I’d be wary of embracing that level of extremism. Colonial powers used similar arguments to justify the extermination of peoples around the world for centuries ie. “the civilizing mission”. Your framing is also indistinguishable from core frameworks within facism.
I agree with your anger but not with your worldview. People and cultures adapt over time, and I’d sooner do what I can to influence change in a culture for the better, before questioning whether one “deserves” human rights. But… that’s just my culture. Let’s hope it deserves to exist 🤞.
Your framing is also indistinguishable from core frameworks within facism.
In what ways, specifically?
The framing of whether a culture “deserves” to exist was a justification to pursue the extermination of Jewish and Roma people in fascist Germany, as one example. From that and other similar acts of destruction in the name of cleansing or purity came a new world order with the concept of inalienable human rights.
When you speak on the erasure of a culture, which is often an abstract set of ideas around which clear boundaries can rarely be drawn, you justify a collective punishment that is antithetical to this foundational idea.
Individuals should be held accountable for their actions according to the rule of law.
Saying that a culture doesn’t deserve to exist undermines the idea of inalienable human rights, normalized ethnic cleansing and ultimately unravels the millennia of human progress it took to get us to this point.
I may not have lived through world war 2, but I am not keen on unlearning the lessons that were learned from it.
I can see why you said “framing” and “frameworks”, because that sort of vague criteria is really where any similarities end, but you went too far by saying that it’s “indistinguishable”.
I was talking about not just murder of a completely innocent child of their own blood, but of an entire clan’s celebration of the event by dancing. It’s the culture that birthed that reaction that is at fault. And all of those people dancing in the streets enabled that murder. There is no chance that the murderer didn’t know they’d get such a positive reaction.
The culture is wrong. It doesn’t deserve to exist. If they want to change their culture to get rid of the murder of and the celebrating of the murder of innocent children, then the previous culture which condoned those murders will have ceased to exist.
Just because fascists criticize cultures with harsh language doesn’t mean that any criticism of a culture using similar language needs to be shot down as having similarity to fascism. You can actually look at the specific allegations.
Ok let’s be precise with our language. What culture are you referring to? Do you have a name for it?
It simply is indistinguishable from fascism because ultimately the fascists decided which cultures were problematic, who was a part of them and therefore who “deserved” to be exterminated.
Your criticism alone isn’t what likens your view to fascism, its the language you chose, which implies a disregard for inalienable human rights that does.
Do you, the one who apparently decides which cultures are worthy and which are not, get to decide how a culture is defined and who is a part of it?
Who is a part of it in this case? Who would you like to erase? People that look like them, speak like them, worship like them?
We punish individuals for their actions according to the rule of law.
You may want to go back to a time when we judge individuals based on the actions of those we perceive to be similar to them. I do not.
I don’t know which culture youve come from to arrive at this worldview, but as problematic and regressive as it is, I still acknowledge your personhood / humanity. I seek not to erase it (despite its flaws) nor do I deem you or anyone “spawned” from it to be unworthy of existance. People, communities and cultures are often indiscrete and in a constant state of adaptation. This type of rhetoric belongs in an era that should be left behind.
Yours is the language that seeks to enable genocide. It normalizes the idea of punishing the many for the actions of the few based on vague, perceived similarities. Criticize all you want but be mindful of the words you choose.
Ok let’s be precise with our language. What culture are you referring to? Do you have a name for it?
My language was precise. I said exactly what I intended to say. All you’re doing here is confessing that you began criticizing me without sufficient reason to do so, and now you need me to say something else that you might actually be able to argue against.
It simply is indistinguishable from fascism because ultimately the fascists decided which cultures were problematic, who was a part of them and therefore who “deserved” to be exterminated.
This is a straw-man. I never said anybody or anything deserved to be exterminated. Strange… if the language I used was actually that bad and “indistinguishable”, there wouldn’t be any need for you to change it, would there?
In your first two paragraphs, you have already managed to demonstrate twice that you have no intention of making an honest attempt at discussing the actual subject here. From where I’m sitting, you seem desperate to manufacture offense that you’ll take the side of a culture that celebrates the murder of an innocent girl, and try to paint critics of that culture as fascists.
I skimmed the rest of your comment. “erase” “punish” “genocide”. Yep. Lots of dishonest injection of charged language and strawmen. Sorry, I’m not even going to bother really reading the rest of your comment, as you’ve made your intentions here clear. I’ll just be blocking you.
Hey I made a fascist run away today, not bad.
Dude you can’t just accuse people of supporting genocide and shit when they’ve not done anything of the sort.
It’s not unreasonable for people to look at a mass of other people who are cheering on the rape and murder of their own relative and think “yeah, the world doesn’t need that lot”
He did though, which is why his comment was removed. Saying a culture “doesn’t deserve to exist” is neo Nazi rhetoric. He’s free to criticize these specific people, advocating for ethnic cleansing is indefensible though. Of course when asked to define the culture he deemed unworthy of existence, he made a run for it.
I feel you, but nobody can lose his right to exist because nobody should be allowed to make that decision. You are criticizing that they decided she was not allowed to exist and in the same sentence you take that right upon you top decide they should not exist.
To be frank: they need to be locked up, educated and reformed to protect society from them.
nobody can lose his right to exist
Rights apply to everybody, even people who don’t deserve them. I said they don’t deserve to exist, not that they didn’t have the right to exist. It’s an important distinction.
A person who doesn’t deserve to exist should thank their lucky stars that they were born in a time and a place when society will let them exist, anyways.
I can agree to that. :)
Religion is cancer, only thing is that I don’t pretend christianity is the reason why we have secularism, or why murder is illegal.
Religion of peace, I see.
“… in that car with three men from the family that was supposed to be her circle of safety.” In that society, no, they are not supposed to be her saftey net. Men aren’t even the same species in that society. People ask how could they… They don’t consider women as people.
Even in the western society, women generally have to live multiple lives. In public they are supposed to be beautiful and smiling all the time. In the bedroom they are supposed to be slutty (but only for their man). With children they are supposed to be saintly. In the home they are supposed to have the managment skills few CEOs possess.
Men these days are supposed to have only two personalities. At work and mixed company they are supposed to treat women like people and respect them. In the locker room, with their buddies, or behind closed doors, not so much.
That is why in some places, unmarried women are not supposed to be alone with a man. Because the men want to remove the “at work and mixed company” part so that they can drop one of those personalities. This murder is the result of taking away the time when women are supposed to be treated like people, and letting the men lean into the worst personality they can have.While I can’t speak for the female perspective personally, nor can I pretend to speak for all men, I find the perspective you are presenting to be quite the generalization. There’s a reason people were outraged about Trump’s “locker room talk” excuse for his remark about “grabbing women by the pussy”, it’s certainly not the societal standard for men to become misogynistic molesters when they are in a safe space.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
I ,itterally said generally in the text. Of course it was a generalization. But try reading any parenting group. Women are constantly talking how they are expected to cover multiple roles just like the ones I mentioned. It’s not really any kind of revelation honestly. It was just background for the final assertions.
There’s a reason people were outraged about Trump’s “locker room talk” excuse for his remark about “grabbing women by the pussy”, it’s certainly not the societal standard for men to become misogynistic molesters when they are in a safe space.
I mean… It does seem at least half the voters in American society were not that upset by it.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
Are you messaging the right person? I was saying that a ton of people really didn’t care about Trump’s misogyny.
Yeah, my bad, I was aiming for who you responded to.
If we assume that everyone who voted Trump in the 2016 elections were either okay with this or not offended enough not to vote for him, that percentage is actually more like 25-26% (He got about 63m votes in 2016 out of a voting eligible population of 243m). Still way too high if you ask me, but at least it’s not that bleak.
He got about 63m votes in 2016 out of a voting eligible population of 243m). Still way too high if you ask me, but at least it’s not that bleak.
One would hope that the people who abstained from voting or are ineligible would be against that type of behaviour as well, but judging on how America is doing now a days i wouldn’t put money on it.
That’s an optimistic take. There are a great many reasons people didn’t vote, and it’s false on its face that they all stayed home because they didn’t condone his disgusting views on women. It’s not statistically unreasonable to assume the ratio of people who tolerate or even endorse Trump level misogyny extends equally through the non-voting population.
If we’re going to be part of the solution, we at least need to acknowledge the scale of the problem. There’s a gut reaction to want to assume the best, if only because the alternative is depressing and isolating, but not wanting to believe it’s that bad doesn’t make it wrong.
I agree with you, but it’s just as incorrect to point at the near 50% support he got in the 2016 elections from the voting public and draw conclusions regarding the popularity of misogyny based on that number alone too.
Is it? There’s a lot of indicators suggesting it’s pretty close to accurate, that’s just one of many. Especially among young men, the abject hatred of women is soaring, and that attitude didn’t come from nowhere.
That attitude is being pushed by social media influencers, who are in turn (proven to be) on the payroll of the folks who want to return to a feudal misogynistic society. It’s not an organic belief.
Even in the western society,
That article is sus.
women generally have to live multiple lives. In public they are supposed to be beautiful and smiling all the time. In the bedroom they are supposed to be slutty (but only for their man). With children they are supposed to be saintly. In the home they are supposed to have the managment skills few CEOs possess.
Men these days are supposed to have only two personalities. At work and mixed company they are supposed to treat women like people and respect them. In the locker room, with their buddies, or behind closed doors, not so much.
Absolutely false in my country. Absolutely no one forces anyone to be different than they are, unless their normal state is impolite. No one says you must be a slut or a chauvinist or any of that, and I refuse to accept peer pressure as an external force guiding anyone’s behaviour past adulthood. I am sorry you live like you do, where you do, and I hope you know a better world one day.
You forgot the /s. I am not talking about a personal choice here. I am talking about societal pressure. And you litterally contradicted yourself. Impolite is a societal construct. So in your country they at least pressure people to be whatever the current definition of polite is. And there is no way everyone’s definition is the same.
Maybe your country is the size of 1. That would track.
The YPJ needs to be everywhere
I had not heard of the YPJ before. Remarkable group!
…minus the child soldiers part.
Tbf the labeling of child soldiers is kinda misleading considering that the vast majority of them are 15-17 years old. At that age you can join most military organizations around the world with parental permission. Alternatively most countries have military schools, where active duty military personnel are training teens to become soldiers.
UNICEF labels anyone enlisted under 18 as a child soldier, and lobbies those governments who follow the practice to stop. Most countries now have changed to 18+, but there are some holdouts as low as 16 (Britain).
Its 17 in the US, and nearly every decent sized high school and some middle schools in America have Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps program.
That doesnt make it better for me so much as pointing out how bad others are as well.
But I also think 18 is too young for war too, so there’s that.
I’d also note - vast majority <> all.
That doesnt make it better for me so much as pointing out how bad others are as well.
My main point was that there is a discrepancy about how we speak about or label the actions of certain cultures or groups of people as opposed to the same actions taken by westerner nations.
I’d also note - vast majority <> all.
There are younger recruits, but I believe they are more a kin to being in military school, being taught tactics and self defense. I believe the official age for combat roles is 18.
Yeah, and I’m saying that doesnt make it better for me. Not for them, not for others.
I think its shitty having anyone with ‘teen’ in their age going off to fight or prepping for it.
Yeah, and I’m saying that doesnt make it better for me. Not for them, not for others.
My response wasn’t aimed at making you feel better. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of a specific criticism often aimed at the ypj when several western powers do the same thing.
think its shitty having anyone with ‘teen’ in their age going off to fight or prepping for it.
Yes, war is obviously bad.
Women in Iraq have been treated like absolute dirt and their literacy rates have plumeted from 99% under Saddam to around 50% last time I checked.
The breakdown of law and order is a direct result of American and Israeli interference and overthrow of Saddam after a decade of sanctions in the 90s.
Israel has been trying to crush Iraq for much longer and wanted it to be a failed state since the 1970s. Prior to Saddam even. This is the fate they want for all Arab countries.
Another disastrous Conservative outcome. They are always complaining about how incompetent government is, but it’s not the government that’s incompetent, it’s THEM.
No they only want Palestine bro. Just one more bro.
I was curious and looked up adult women literacy rates for women in Iraq and this shows 64% literacy rate for women with 15+ years age in 2000 and 78% in 2021 for the same category. For female youths aged 15-24 it rose from 80% to 91% over the same time period (though in the intervening period that did indeed drop to 72-73% in their stats during the chaos of the Iraq War).
It’s great when people bring the receipts and take the time to source a comment. Seriously, thank you.
I needed to look them up.
and this shows 64% literacy rate for women with 15+ years age in 2000 and 78% in 2021 for the same category
It’s a very thin data set. One entry for 2000. Nothing beforehand. Then nothing for 12 years that just happen to occur during the height of invasion and mass displacement of the population.
Wikipedia would suggest the literacy rate was high prior to 2000. After the invasion, there’s very mixed data, with high enrollment rates conbined with high dropout and grade repeat rates. But it’s an article plagued with dead links, so…
I don’t think it’s controversial to say the war and mass displacement resulted in declining standards for education.
It’s a very thin data set. One entry for 2000. Nothing beforehand. Then nothing for 12 years that just happen to occur during the height of invasion and mass displacement of the population.
I’m happy to see any data you have, that’s why I looked because 99% seemed incredibly high and the drop to 50% horrible and I wanted to check out that data. I agree this is sparse though it does ultimately come from UNESCO. There is a point on the 15-24 year old female youth graph for 2006 which is in the middle of that and another on 2011, which were the 72-73% I acknowledged. A decline of 8% for the youth until it started recovering in 2012 onward is what this particular source gives.
Wikipedia would suggest the literacy rate was high prior to 2000. After the invasion, there’s very mixed data, with high enrollment rates conbined with high dropout and grade repeat rates. But it’s an article plagued with dead links, so…
Where that Wikipedia article says “literacy levels were high” you can see that it also links to links to World Bank Open Data - the same source I used - except unsuccessfully. I would disagree that it was high based on World Bank Open Data though. If you look up global 15+ year old women’s literacy rates, the global average in 2000 was 76% so 64% in Iraq looks kind of bad comparatively.
I don’t think it’s controversial to say the war and mass displacement resulted in declining standards for education
I agree and that matches up with the drop in literacy rates for young women (whose ongoing education you would expect to be more affected by war in eight years of their childhood than for the adults). I was commenting just with respect to the stats because I was surprised.
Either way the war fucked up Iraq in ways that will take generations to fix.
