people have been taking down the cameras itself.
People talk about shining lasers into the sensors. Not sure if thats a real thing or a myth.
A powerful enough laser can permanently damage digital camera sensors, but really only the pixels the laser directly hits. (Not to mention the legal/safety issues of owning one powerful enough to completely destroy one)
For example, Volvo’s lidar system famously burnt out pixels on people’s phones
That… can’t be good for the eyes.
So point it at the lens, and wiggle it around. That should destroy a bunch of random pixels.
I saw that article a while back, and thought the lasers would be handy on cameras. You can buy 1064nm IR spotting lasers but they are rather expensive. A 1 watt model will be about $1000.
I have to wonder if it’s possible to fuck these up with a QR code bumper sticker. They are notoriously poorly designed.
Highly unlikely that any amount of significant processing is happening on-device. Wouldn’t be cost effective
You could piss off the company running them though, don’t these cameras use AI? Get some QR codes that lead to nepenthies traps full of their own AI generated images of nonsense license plates. Waste their money and poison their training data.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I approve. Do…whatever you just said.
Nepenthies is a type of webpage that generates an endless chain of links and pages to bait in content scrapers and feed them garbage that poisons their training data.
Image element recognition doesn’t magically make actions happen, such as following a QR code link. The on-board AI would be more along the lines of pattern recognition such as reading text, license plates, people counts, etc. You could poison it by putting up the license plates but unless someone is actively looking for those plates it’ll just be a small bit of metadata attached to the time code. The fact that they’re stationary means it’ll probably be ignored as well
Image recognition AI has been found to be vulnerable to prompt injection via text present in the image.
For LLMs, sure, but there’s no way they’re running LLMs on-device. Just classic AI models at the most
It’s the year of our lord 2026. Rule of Law is dead. The other Golden Rule is now supreme: He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Don’t forget about might makes right. What, you didn’t want to live in a world where big burly dudes with guns protecting wealthy pedophiles tell you what to do?
2026 is not the year of the lord, but of the devil make no mistake.
Gangsters are in control, which is not cool even though you might think it is. It’s not. Gangsters are parasites, making things more expensive.
Kill the gangsters.
This feels a lot like the collapse of the USSR. Like, yeah, shit wasn’t necessarily great before, but what comes after is worse.
There was a hypothesis proposed a number of years ago that a mono-polar world is inherently unstable. A second great power keeps the other “honest” to a degree and limits the scope of corruption. It doesn’t stop it entirely mind you, but it has to at least maintain the appearance of integrity or expose its vulnerability. Any world where only one great power exists, must eventually collapse under the weight of internal corruption.
Looks like the hypothesis had some merit.
I don’t much like hypotheses that require certain size groups of people.
But I guess that’s just the instability of the dictator applied to the entire world.
If you crack open a history book you’ll find that a multi-polar world has a lot more war. Napoleonic wars, World Wars, etc. Even in the Cold War when nuclear weapons made it too insane for super powers to fight each other directly, they found ways to have massive proxy wars, like the Korean War and Vietnam War. These wars left over a million people dead each. Then there were all of the various civil wars that the superpowers were involved like the Angolan civil war, that one was about a half million people dead. These conflicts were happening all over the world.
People today shit themselves over Gaza, but that’s less than a tenth of casualties compared to the wars that happened in the Cold War and less than 0.2% of WW2. Would you consider wars happening in multiple parts of the world with 10 to 500 times the casualties we’ve seen in Gaza to be a “stable world”?
The Concert of Europe kept the continent relatively peaceful for a century, mainly by ensuring that one nation didn’t become another Napoleonic France.
Post World War II was also relatively peaceful compared to the interwar years, mainly because of the two interventionist powers trying to compete with each other. There was a lot of genocide after World War I.
So if it’s only millions of non-white people dying that means the world is “stable”?
I use stable as a relative term, but it isn’t like the number of non-white people dying goes down during periods of instability.
You are equating the genocide of Palestinians, something that has been going on for decades, to proxy wars between super powers.
The Spanish flu killed more people than all the human wars in the last thousand years. How many genocides still occured under “Pax Americana.” Taking the whole world into account, 90% of humanity would be under just as much threat of violence if the US vanished tomorrow. There hasn’t been an era of broad peace among most of the globe in 6000 years. You act like it’s been sunshine and roses under the monopolar system. Ask the people of Libya, Syria, and Iraq how they feel about that? Ask the Cubans, and the Guatemalans and the Haitians if they feel protected.
You’re acting like a million deaths is the same as 100,000 deaths. I’m not saying a mono-polar world is sunshine and roses. I’m saying a multi-polar world is worse. I’m giving you numbers to back that up.
It’s not like either of us is going to change the course of the world. It will likely go in the direction of a multi-polar world because the US is on the decline. You shouldn’t be so naive as to think that you should be preparing to celebrate world peace breaking out when there’s a multi-polar world. You should be prepared for world war.
Some the things you listed are just the start of that. Syria was not exactly aligned with the West. It was aligned with Russia and Iran which are pushing for this multi-polar world you seem to think will be better. Half a million people were killed in the Syrian civil war. You should expect more of that in a multi-polar world. Ukraine is another example of Russia trying to become a Great Power in a multi-polar world. It’s at least a million dead and counting in that one.
If you think I expect world peace you didn’t read what 8 wrote. But I will die proudly for justice. For mercy. For the truth, and I will not mourn a hegemony that enforces “peace” at the cost of thos values.
It probably helped that one was at least nominally socialist, so the promise of worker liberation was always on the wind, keeping the capitalists a bit nervous like are they serious? what if it actually happens?
Someone will get so angry they might shine lasers into them, reflect the sun into them.
Paintball markers.
Make Tippmann proud.
Lasers. You can get rather beefy ones that wreck havoc on any optical sensor.
What a good way to damage your or other peoples’ eyesight
Only if you don’t know how to use them. They are safer than guns.
Anyone who needs to be reminded of the damage lasers can cause shouldn’t be fucking around with lasers imo. Way too easy to hurt someone.
Idk, considering this is America and most peoples alternative would be a gun, lasers seem rather benign.
Just wear spectrum-matched eye protection, please.
Considering this is America and most people don’t actually own guns, your comment seems rather online
uh. i live in the bluest of states with the most centrist of liberal friends… and we all own guns. like. alot of them.
You think in duality. You think in labels. Therefore you think ingroup/outgroup, and therefore you do not have developed the empathy skills to fully simulate “outgroup.” You can’t fully comprehend a person fundamentally different than you because of the möbiation of entanglement - which the Buddhists call defilement - ultimately creates dualistic dichotomy within the topological matrix of your mind, and therefore you will not notice the cognitive dissonance produced by that möbiation.
uh
Like, you can’t comprehend that there’s a person out there that doesn’t think like you at all, in both good and bad ways. It’s bizarre someone would even suggest these things to you. You scoffed at them, for you did not understand them with your underdeveloped empathy skill. Now go ahead and misinterpret what I just said so I can teach you further.
Your anecdote is meaningless when 2/3 of the country doesn’t own a gun. Turns out you can’t extrapolate a data point like that
the most centrist of liberal friends
Personally not something I would be bragging about but you do you I guess
So your argument is that unless a majority of Americans own guns, you’re not even allowed to correlate America with guns at all? What a dumb argument.
Nobody ever said that the majority of Americans own guns, they said that guns seemed like a more American solution than 1W+ lasers that could easily fry a camera from a distance.
Unless you have the numbers to suggest that more people have those kinds of lasers than the 100M+ people who have guns, then your point is meaningless.
At the end of the day this was an unserious suggestion to fire guns at utility poles made in jest towards a country with constitutionally enshrined gun rights and an unhealthy gun culture. Why be this uselessly pedantic about gun ownership statistics that nobody even mentioned or challenged?
I’d be careful with that. Not sure how likely it is that the beam reflects and messes up ur eyes.
So there is a country with more guns than inhabitants, and they are afraid of a f-ing laser?
I would argue strong lasers are more dangerous than guns on average.
Depends on the definition of “strong”.
If you mean “a laser that melts down the Flock camera into a steaming puddle”, then I’d agree. But if you mean “a laser that kills a CCD chip”, then no.
I once contacted their support cause I sent my “marker” in for warranty, they’re like oh yeah unfortunately your chunk of metal is um (probably in their museum) but nothing we can do for you except ship you our top of the line brand new model… Dang you guy’s really screwed me.
They were definitely great when I sent them a used ProAm I had bought. Supposed to convert it over to a ProLight version, but I think they sent me a pretty much new marker, didn’t recognize any “old” parts on it. Haven’t played in years, but still have it stored away.
Tippmann really are the GOATs of just like… the ‘I like to go paintballing everyonce in a while’ demographic.
Yeah, yeah, other people make fancier pantsier shit… T98 is the goddamn AK47 of markers.
Maybe one of the actual last examples of American manufacturing one could actually be proud of.
I really hope the precedent set by Chatrie v United States will make this shit illegal.
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This is America, the people serve the government.
The government wants its cameras on to monitor the inmates, who’s going to stop them?
Again, deflock shows where they are. Just start mobbing them and fucking them up, sledge hammers go a long way.
Cordless angle grinders work better. The UK has been fighting back for ages
In civilized countries The Flock Camera network is CLEARLY illegal.
My recommendation to USA is to strive to become a civilized country, before caring so much about every single detail that arise from not being a civilized country.
Americans are constantly focusing on the symptoms but never on the disease that cause them. Maybe because Americans are brainwashed to think the insanity going on in USA is normal.There’s a lot of money controlling media propaganda, which brainwashes people. Or people are otherwise powerless. You could probably say the same about Russians in Putin’s Russia. Or Chinese under the CCP.
Yes, the difference is that most people are aware it’s happening in Authoritarian countries like Russia and China, but forget that it’s also happening in USA.
I dont think they believe theyre under an authoritarian government either.
Ah, I see you haven’t met the tankie a on this site then yet.
Haha yes I have, what a bunch of idiots. 🤡
Brainwash nothing, you have to be a ponderously ignorant person and inherently mean enough to fall for the brainwashing. That excuse maybe flies the first term, at this point they’re genuinely indisputably bad people. They have agency. They choose this seeing everything you and I see. Fuck em all, if they all died overnight it would solve the majority of the earth’s problems.
How is a paragraph consisting entirely of platitudes a solution?
“Americans are being spied on by their government and powerful transnational corporations despite the fact that they voted to show their disapproval.”
“Yes, well. Have you tried being civilized? 🧐”
No really, Americans are not even trying to build civilization, they are doing the opposite.
Building and improving civilization is a very well defined goal, of respecting human rights, respecting minorities and building a well functioning democracy and society.
Americans are doing none of that.Your failure to understand this, and failure to identify the problems and possible solutions is part of the problem.
The flock camera is not the problem but a symptom, and the problem is forgotten when the symptom is debated.
Americans claim individuality and personal freedom, but few developed countries have such disregard and lack of protection for the individual USA has.
Instead USA has freedom for the cooperations and agencies to fuck individuals over as they like.Doubling down on the pretense was certainly a choice.
Guess what, little bro? We know. Some of us are out there actually fighting this battle.
“Some of you” are not Americans in general, as in the majority.
I also wonder why you feel personally attacked if you are not in the group I described?Me: “You’re being annoying and pretentious.”
You: “Sounds like someone feels personally attacked!”
We done?
Me: Making a point.
You: Whuaah Whuaah
Now we’re done.
Yeah I’m a US American, our culture is hot garbage. We’re inconsiderate, entitled, proudly ignorant, revel in violence, and hate poor people and minorities. I’ve lived all over the country. I’ve had good neighbors, but every neighborhood I’ve lived in has been exactly as I describe. Anyone that thinks I’m wildly off base here probably fits very neatly into the above categories.
I’m American too, and yeah, even most (nominally) leftwing Americans are in denial about how shitty American culture is. They still have the the american civil religion in their head.
Most of us are not. So, STFU.
Are you seriously claiming that Americans aren’t brainwashed. 🤣🤣🤣
Just making that claim, probably means you are more brainwashed than average, because most Americans are 100% aware they are brainwashed by propaganda by corrupt media and politicians EVERY FUCKING DAY!
For instance FOX News is one big propaganda channel, no better than the worst in either China or Russia.
But this propaganda is far from limited to just Fox News, most news channels in USA are propaganda channels owned by the 1%. And of it permeate all of American society, so they for instance think sociopathy is a virtue, so enough voted for Donald Trump for him to become president, and half the population didn’t vote!Didn’t I tell you to STFU.
If all you Americans converted even 1/10 of this energy to hucking bricks at fascists you’d be out of this mess by now. Sorry for the pseudo fed comment, but I hate to see y’all fight when the real enemy is plain as day.
I’m aware.
I don’t think so, you don’t seem to be.
Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over?
It’s just a suggestion.STFU
Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over? It’s just a suggestion.
You proved most of you are brainwashed last elections. So be mad at yourself, not people pointing out the obvious.
False. Learn how the elections actually work.
It was not the workings of the elections that allowed Trump to win, but it is a flawed democracy that is guilty of granting him way to much power.
A parliamentarian system of many parties forming a government is a better system, but Americans can’t be excused for electing Trump just because their democracy is flawed.Do you mean like in 2016 when people stayed home and trump won by the electoral college, or 2024 when even more people stayed home and he just barely won the popular vote too?
Or is there something other than ‘people actually need to vote strategically in the general or deal with the fascist winning’ that we need to learn here? Because they’re right - people were brainwashed and due to their (lack of) voting choice we let him have power again. Too many people chose to stay home instead of voting for the viable candidate who could have kept this shit show (that literally everyone) saw coming.
Yeah, the candidate we had available didn’t get a primary and was less than ideal. But that choice would have been objectively better than what we have now. Too many thought getting less than nothing was better than that, so here we are. Instead of having a chance at influencing the government, we handed the reigns of justice to a fucking dictator wannabe.
Maybe the party will learn a different lesson from the left abandoning them other than the same lesson they’ve taken from it for the last 50 years. Clearly, this methodology is a working one…
Most of us voted for this by not voting for the literally only other viable candidate and most of us are too bitch pussy to nut the fuck up and own the consequences of our actions. That’s why most of us deserve what we’re getting. 75 million Americans don’t deserve this. The rest are getting what they voted for.
What a joke. Harris, the ex-prosecutor who worked directly with police to send people to jail would have somehow banned these devices? Based on what exactly, the (D) next to her name?
These cameras are all over Democratic cities because they love surveillance too. Look how many stories about people wrongfully accused/arrested of crimes based on junk Flock data have come out of places like Colorado and California.
Furthermore Democrats are all on board with other mass surveillance laws such as the KIDS Act, requiring people to show ID to install operating systems or go online, which has a majority support amongst both Democratic and Republican legislators. Obama happily continued the PATRIOT Act, and the list goes on.
What a bunch of absolute nonsense pulled straight from your behind.
Yeah, that’s why you primary incumbents with progressives you fucking walnut. Participate in the fuckin conversation or go back to your accelerationist space. What you’re doing right here gets republicans elected, but that’s probably your goal anyway.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24 or use their wealth and power to crush progressive candidates like they tried to do in the NYC mayoral election. You’re dangerously naive if you think that the issue with these people holding us under their thumb is that they don’t have enough support from us.
You’re the accelerationist here because you’re the one demanding we turn our brains off and support the status quo and let them do as they wish. You’re being played like a fiddle.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24
This is exactly why people need to join the Democratic party to change it from within.
There are only 2 options currently, completely insane and less insane, joining the less insane to improve it is the better option.
Trying to change things from a third party is a fools errand, they will never achieve power as long as Republicans and Democrats agree on sharing it.
Harris has never even lied and pretended she is against the surveillance state or the military industrial complex. Did you want people to vote for Jill Stein? Write in Bernie during the primaries? You can vote for mask off fascism or you can vote for a respectable statesman who keeps the killing of brown people a bit quieter. How is that a viable option. Because you feel better stateside? Do you go on YouTube and comment on old Obama speeches about how you miss having a President who could speak in full sentences while he oversaw a campaign of mass terror, bailed out (FUNDED) global financial leeches, and did nothing to slow the consolidation of billionaire backed media and tech conglomerates because at the end of the day, he believes in this shit too?
So your solution is get the mask off fascism in power, congratulations you’re an accelerationist and thus about as serious as the average MAGAt.
I do not consider a teenager fresh to current events disagreeing with me on politics as much of a gotcha moment. If you’re older than I’ve guessed you should consider learning more before you try to transition into educating. If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere. But maybe there’s still pride at Target. Is that what you mean by viable?
Building a civilization is harder than you think. You’re being lazy by not putting the work in to make things better.
Do you think all the forces at play that have led us here will magically go away after it all burns down? You’re either dangerously naive, stupid, or have an ulterior motive.
I don’t. Do you think they’ll go away if you vote?
If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere.
What about all those little girls who had their school bombed, would they be dead too? Would the various humanitarian aid ngos still be defunded, directly leading to unnecessary death?
What a lazy argument. Just because the obvious better candidate didn’t do everything you wanted, don’t vote for them, even if they do some things better. Since they’re not perfect, fuck them and let the fascist win. That’s literally accelerationism, you just don’t want to acknowledge the clear result of your position.
if you voted for [Democrat] would [bad thing] still happen in [foreign place]
Yeah obviously. Do you understand how many different Democrat administrations have funded various genocides, dictatorships, and hostile takeovers of self governing people
Tedious thread hijacking. There are whole communities of post after post for you to do this exact thing. Cant you go do this there?
“viable candidate” and it was someone who was trying to appeal to moderate republicans that don’t exist. Now your party is getting all of your incumbents unseated in favor of socialists and all they’re worried about is how to sabotage said socialists so they can continue to do nothing.
And this right here is why Americans mostly deserve what they’ve got. And I’m the socialist taking over the party. If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now, but numpty fucks scream both sides and here we are.
You had 13 big names in your party saying they’ll spend more time fighting the socialists than the actual fascists. And people ARE voting for progressives in primaries exactly because the incumbents have been doing exactly nothing. The incumbents wouldn’t be getting primaried if they weren’t so similar to the Republicans to the point of collusion.
Oh no 13 out of 257 members of the big tent party… And we still got a bunch in the primaries. Give your balls a tug.
20% of the democratic party is progressive. Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them? I would have thought losing the last election would touch you knuckleheads some math but here we go again.
If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now
Except the DNC goes out of their way to sabotage the campaigns of progressive candidates in the primaries and convince everyone that these people are “extremists who can’t win,” so that their right-wing members can continue to win elections and ignore the will of the voters since so many people like yourself are willing to vote for literally anyone just so long as they aren’t the other guy.
This is precisely why fascism took over because we have two parties controlled by fascists and people like yourself refuse to see the light and change your ways. You still think voting for the lesser evil today will somehow lead to candidates who aren’t evil in the future but that’s not how things work as evidenced by 250 years of our history and the fact that it makes zero logical sense.
The DNC knows that you will always compromise your supposed beliefs in order to make the other guy lose therefore they have zero reason to ever do anything for you. Republicans do the exact same thing and thats why they’ve both held on to power all this time despite nearly everyone hating them both. You’re just feeding right into their game.
You’re an acceleration actively advocating for the destruction of the nation, who gives a fuck what you fuckin think? Fuckin ruspublican propagandist motherfuckers all over this garbage ass platform, making fucking redditors look intelligent. And stop using an LLM to write your comments. This fucking place.
You wanna talk about propaganda? How about your assertion that the Democratic party is the only thing standing between us and the destruction of the nation when we can all see with our own eyes that they are more than happy to help push forth Trump’s agenda. You sound like a MAGA Republican who drank too much koolaid.
Create a division of local government for supervising the police using flock and suddenly the cameras are full of bullet holes.
I like the way you think pardner
Yeah id say he’s onto something except police would just get the footage deleted then say its all good - they all investigated themselves.
link that doesn’t appear to be dead: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/flock-cameras-are-still-on-in-cleveland-even-though-the-contract-expired
People breaking laws need to loose their freedom. A monetary fine will not be enough.
Sounds like Cleveland should file a class action lawsuit.
