• Tango@piefed.ca
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    14 days ago

    Too late. I’ve already switched to Linux Mint and am never going back.

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    Win 10 LTSC IoT edition already has security updates until 2032, and if you activate Win 10 with MAS you’ll almost certainly be activated with this version automagically.

    Signing in with a Microsoft account is what they really want you to do. This is why they never fixed the glaring vulnerability that allows you to hack the password from local accounts. It’s also a general symptom of the fact that Microsoft doesn’t really care if you pirate their software anymore, they care about you disabling telemetry because they make more money harvesting personal data than they do charging for software - even subscription software like Office365.

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      Yep, that’s why every Microsoft game (even on Steam) now relies on “gaming services” to authentic.

      It’s not about piracy, Foza gets pirated a lot and always has. If you’re pirating it, you can get around it. But if you have a legit copy, Microsoft uses that as an excuse to ID your computer and tie a name to it.

      I really think it’s gonna be a big thing, they just kind of slipped it in without telling anyone. They’re gonna fuck around trying to constantly increase profit margins and lose their monopoly.

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      14 days ago

      I’m so surprised I’m able to use my 2026 Win 11 laptop with local account.

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      Signing in with a Microsoft account is what they really want you to do.

      And for the sake of your personal data, it’s the absolute last thing you should ever submit to.

      The number of people who have lost their entire digital life thanks to losing access to their Microsoft Account (doubly so now that BitLocker auto-engages, which makes direct extraction from the drive impossible) is just too damn high.

      Always, always create a local account on install. That path is still available, even through USB installer builders like RUFUS.

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        Well, if there are headlines about it, it isn’t actually all that quiet.

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          The “quietly” is aimed at Microslop. They didn’t grandly announce it on every platform like they do with everything else.

          It is perfectly fitting in this context.

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          But it was quiet before that. It just means there wasn’t any sort of announcement. Which is important context, don’t you think?

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    Back when they pull this shit, my PC bought on 2014/15 can’t support win11(using i5 4440), which basically force me to upgrade my PC or risk getting infected, then i swapped to Mint and Mint look at my hardware and goes “ehh 🤷” and let me install anyway. The experience is significantly better, no begging me to activate cloud backup, no begging me to swap to an OS i can’t install.

    Now i bought a new PC before the price went dogshit and put on cachy + KDE and can’t be happier, not much different than using Windows, and that old system would be upgraded to a better cpu before giving it to my nephew.

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        As a Linux user, horseshit. windows 11 is better for 90% of users than Linux is and anyone who says otherwise is lying out their ass. If a single thing you need to do is from terminal 90% of users will think your product is shit. Why? Because it’s not designed for them. I’ve used ~7 distros over the last 10 years. None of them has something that can compare to the app store, play store, or even the Microsoft store. We use Linux because we like ___. The majority use primary aimed at them OS’s because it is aimed at them, and does it in a way that is easier for them.

        They spend millions making sure that “I’m not sure” step can be done with a GUI menu.

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          Average users are fine on Linux. I set up my parents on it and they are able to launch their browser, email, etc and not bother with terminal. They didn’t have trouble adjusting from Windows and MacOS to Linux.

          Only ones who have trouble are those who rely on specific software for work like Adobe or gamers who can’t go without certain Windows only games. But, average non gamer and non professional who wants to just use it for basic tasks are fine.

          And depending on the distro like ones with long term support the UI isn’t going to keep changing up on them.

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            Seconding this. I put my mom’s laptop on Mint because that was easier than supporting her on Windows. She freaking loves it because she’s not constantly bring pestered to sign into accounts, and she has an easy way to get software and features added to her computer without needing to call me.

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          When I was in the process transitioning my lab from Windows 10+11 to Linux Mint, I was spending more time in Windows’ cmd.exe attempting to debug issues introduced through Windows Update than the Linux Terminal.

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            I don’t seem to understand what you are saying here. So you installed Mint and were transferring data to Mint from Windows, why would you need to run updates on the old systems at all? I would have imagined you’d just spin up a samba share from Mint and copy the data to it. (Or just use an external drive).

            To achieve the first one though my first step would have been to launch terminal on Mint, and install samba (that likely does exist as a GUI install in software manager though)

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              Files were already backed up at multiple locations. I wasn’t using cmd.exe to transfer files. I was using it to attempt to fix broken WiFi and touchpad drivers.

              why would you need to run updates on the old systems at all?

              Ask Microsoft.

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                Ah so the old machines weren’t working properly before the move. Gotcha. In my experience Mint has been good at using its defaults to get WIFI working. Hell I probably would have skipped over dealing with the track pad and just plugged a mouse in and let Mint fix that part after. I have been running into the problem that all those mice laying around are USB A, and laptops now seem to have moved completely away from adding one.

                Hopefully the move went well for you

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          Ehh, i agree with that appstore thing and simple to install .exe, but Shelly can basically do most of those now, and that isn’t even the thing that hold back the transition. People still using windows because software dev doesn’t make it for linux. Software like POS, professional design suits, game dev tools, all mostly run on windows. Those people also use whatever the newer windows available, including win8 that most people hated. For gamers? None of those matter. People like me shifted to linux and did not find any difference in everyday use.

          Also i don’t really interact much with terminal, 1 or 2% of the whole time using it i think? It’s to both setup auto mount(none of the option in the setting works, they need to fix this shit) and also updating cachyos software, which is 99% automatic and 1% y and enter, to the point i feels like it isn’t even considered a terminal. In fact i avoid doing anything with terminal because i despise it, yet i can use linux without too much of an issue.

          Edit: i tried mint+cinnamon and currently using cachy+kde, both have the same experience, and i don’t need terminal to install anything.

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            You can use Gnome Disks (gnome-disk-utility) to edit fstab via GUI. I’ve been using this for years and never had to manually edit fstab even though I can.

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              You, my friend, is a lifesaver! Every search result point me to using terminal to edit it, and of course i edit it via word editor and access fstab using file explorer, i only use terminal to get the uuid. Imo it should be accessible via the setting, but gnome disk would do too.

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                Glad to help! To be fair, a lot of tutorials do it on terminal because it’s consistent for every distro out there. However Gnome Disks is stupidly easy and that’s why I like it. I install my system, I install Gnome Disks, then switch to manual option and set automount for my other drives and that’s it.

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          None of them has something that can compare to the app store, play store, or even the Microsoft store

          There are lots of reasons someone might choose Windows but…this ain’t it. The Linux app managers are way easier to use, require no account, and aren’t full of ads and malware.

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            In addition to that… I don’t think I’ve seen anyone use the Microsoft store? They all download stupid adware ridden installers from the first result on bing or whatever lol

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              Yeah, I was going to add that application management is so much better in Mint than the Windows store has ever been. Winget works alright, but you gotta use powershell for it, so “90% of users will think your product is shit.”

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              Some programs’ download link redirect you to Microslop Store, so at least some of them use it either voluntarily or involuntarily.

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          I don’t know, I installed Bazzite on my parents’ PC and they don’t use or need terminal at all. Same thing for my aunt’s laptop with Aurora. I don’t even give technical support anymore since I installed these.

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    I literally called this when they announced that they would only do it for a year. Of course it was going to fucking backfire.

    We’re in an economic crisis, the AI shit is pumping tech prices through the roof (literally Microsoft is responsible), and they want people to get new computers? Fuck off, dipshits

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    Just spent the weekend moving to Kubuntu. It only took about 5 hours and my computer is snappier than it’s ever been. I have been on Windows for 30 years. Microsoft, you should be scared. You can’t compete with free competition.

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      The only way to meaningfully compete with freeware is a feature advantage: if your revenue can sponsor developers to focus on polishing and improving your system beyond the free alternatives, there will be a market of people willing to pay for (immediately*) better products.

      It’s what keeps Excel a step ahead of Calc: between a rather clunky UX and frankly awful documentation for some features and functions, Libre just doesn’t quite have the same maturity. It’s good enough for the majority of use cases, okay for some more and I’m really only aware of one feature I miss (Power Query or equivalent) or haven’t found. But it’s not as polished, and for some, that alone is reason enough to stick with paid products.

      Conversely, it’s why more people are starting to move off of Windows: between user experience improvements, smoother installation, the spreading realisation that most stuff happens in browsers anyways and Proton making a lot of gaming a lot more accessible, Windows is losing that edge in features. If the list of anti-features and drawbacks grows large enough, the familiarity alone just doesn’t hold people any more.

      You can compete with free competition, but that requires an eye on the market. And performance-impeding spyware just isn’t must-have for everyone.

      *as opposed to supporting open source devs to the point where they could focus on their software, hopefully leading to better products some time later, which is less gratifying and less reliable than paying for a project you get right now

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        Yeah, the real “Year of the Linux Desktop” only occurs when devs actually get input from UX designers and stop designing clunky as fuck UIs.

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          The UX designers I knew had a bit of a circular problem: the poor UX put them off too much to develop that passion for FOSS that drives devs to work on it for free. They’d first have to puzzle out what things are supposed to do and how they’re supposed to go about achieving whatever they’re looking to do, basically reverse-engineering user flows that were never properly engineered.

          I don’t have a solution for this and I don’t know if they’re representative, but acknowledging the importance of UX is a start for sure.

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          How the hell do UX designers contribute?!

          Every year I look how I could give a few hours a week, but I leave bewildered (seems like every projects wants you to fork ans submit changes). Do you or anyone know of arrangement more like “here’s a ticket, punch in, do it, punch out”.

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            seems like every projects wants you to fork ans submit changes

            I think that’s just how software devs tend to work: a main “trunk” of code, from which they branch off for a feature or change, then when they’re done writing the new code, merge it back into the trunk. That’s the mode we’re used to, the only tool we know for managing parallel code development.

            How else would we do things? Or rather: how would you do things? This isn’t a rhetorical question: I genuinely admit I don’t know how you’d prefer to operate, or what you mean by punching in and out.

            If you’re asking for specific tasks, projects may have an issue tracker of some form where you can find stuff other people found, but other than that, FOSS often is a “see something that needs fixing, go and fix it” thing. Particularly if the devs themselves don’t notice a problem, because they know what that confusing icon means or how that tool works, they won’t create a task they don’t even know needs doing. Even if they know something is bad, they might not know how to make it better.

            If you’re using or trying to use a program and notice something has been done poorly, is too complex for an entry-level user, whatever it is you think could or should be improved, talk to the people making it, or look for a contribution guide.

            Even if you can’t contribute code, it might be helpful to share your skills and knowledge by opening issues, explaining specific problems and offering ways to solve them.

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              Great points.

              The way I’ve worked is usually: onboarding, identify work to be done, tickets (part of that forking), review/done.

              So if the onboarding, identifying wtbd and then the work is done by me independently… that seems like weeks of work to submit a suggestion… you know?

              UX design work needs a lot of research, understanding and alignment to stick.

              Am I missing something?

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                No, I don’t think you’re missing anything. That’s the issue at hand here: creating proper, usable software takes time and effort. FOSS-developers tend to prefer pouring their time and effort into functional code, with the UI primarily shaped by their own needs rather than a thorough analysis of what other users could want. Often, tools are the result of someone building something for themselves and figuring they’d share it with others.

                To properly design for a broad audience is an extremely selfless ask, and for all that these devs donate their time to the public, they only have so much to give. I think it’s fair that they’d prefer working on things they benefit from too, but that means sacrificing general usability for personal expediency.

                And that’s why so many tools are clunky: they’re “good enough” for the developer, and nobody cares to also make them good enough for the rest of the user group.

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                  Confirms what i thought, thanks. Maybe we need to make a better process for this, or champion it if there is always one.

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            Becsuse you get someone in on the creation thst can say things like.

            “99% of all software uses Control+s to save, yes W stands for Write Out, but literally no one thinks that way and Control W is unintuitive.”

            “People prefer larger icons with meaningful symbols.”

            “This setting is only accessible by using a CLI to edit a .conf file in /etc/software/config/current and thats a terrible design.”

            “Your pop up dialogs should all be consistently sized with Yes/Cancel buttons in the same space so users can more instinctively know where to click.”

            “The window design looks like Windows 95 and makes people think they are in prison and has driven at least one user to depression and suicide, maybe consider modernizing the look with some color and roundness.”

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          I strongly feel the only reasons Linux is actually gaining traction right now are

          A) proton/wine getting good enough interfaces for regular people to start using them (steam, heroic, hopefully bottles someday gets easier to use)

          B) KDE making strides with their desktop envoronment.

          C) flatpaks being easy to use and fairly reliable once someone learns to prioritize them

          All still have a LOT of work to do with UX, but they are close enough to good that its less of a hurdle for new people to pick them up.

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            Honestly there are some things I feel Microsoft and Apple do still do better and since they are UI-first considerations, Linux will likely never keep up.

            For example: Apple has app packages. Imagine a flat pack to install by just dragging into a folder. Thats it all dependencies are there in the package. When you double click, the default action is to run a predefined binary within the package. It’s basically a folder whose default action is launch a binary within rather than open and browse. If you want to uninstall, just drag to trash. The OS keeps receipts and when I sees a package is sent to the trash, it handles the cleanup for you.

            Flatpaks kind of do this but not really. It’s really clever and there’s no reason Linux can’t do this other than it just doesn’t face the same design pressures Apple did when they made it. Apple was GUI first, Linux had a GUI as an afterthought.

            Microsoft has the plus of turn it on and it’s already there. Anymore, that’s pretty much all it has. Linux is getting much better with easier to use graphical installers and pushing themselves into a system much faster than windows does. But if a user doesn’t understand how a computer boots, that they can tell the computer to just boot something else, it’s overwhelming to get to the Linux-is-easy part. I feel like there should be a single click installer that creates a recovery partition, tells the uEFI to boot into it, wipes the original windows partitions out and installs to the computer, then removes itself, lets Linux reboot and reclaim the entire drive with a partition resize.

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              I feel like there should be a single click installer that creates a recovery partition, tells the uEFI to boot into it, wipes the original windows partitions out and installs to the computer, then removes itself, lets Linux reboot and reclaim the entire drive with a partition resize

              Most linux installs are easier than Windows. It’s not a Linux issue, it’s an “already installed” issue. I wouldn’t want installations to be any easier than they are because the steps you’re involved with are steps that someone needs to give input or you risk destroying everything you had. Any OS installation that isn’t OEM, linux or Windows, starts with the assumption that there might be something important that it shouldn’t touch. Linux has OEM installations that from the perspective of the user receiving the computer, are identical to starting Windows for the first time.

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      Windows has different design pressures. They have painted themselves into a corner and can no longer afford to manage it. If they make sweeping changes they break the number 1 rule of windows, maintain legacy compatibility wherever possible. If companies have to buy new, it’s a harder sell for Microsoft because there are better, cheaper options out there they can’t compete with. Their own ecosystem is holding them back and they cannot do anything about it.

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        Windows 11 literally broke legacy compatibility deliberately, it refused to install on older hardware. So probably not rule #1 any more.

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          It broke legacy hardware compatibility. Sorry I should have been more specific. They need to maintain software compatibility.

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      They might care when Windows is their cash cow again. Even enterprise windows is a drop in the bucket now.

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    Microsoft has always had a tick-tock release schedule where they alternate between sucking and releasing liked OS-es. 98 meh, 98SE yeah. ME no, 2000 yay! you can argue about XP but Vista was a No, then 7 was loved, until 8 we don’t talk about 8, then came 10… etc.

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      We can argue about 7 and 10 as well. 7 was “loved” only in comparison and because xp support was starting to end and many people were soft forced to upgrade and 7 was just the only viable choice left over before Linux. Same with 10, support for 7 was ending and people were forced to cross over to 10.

      Currently same is happening with 10 and 11 is being avoided like wildfire, so once again people assume 12 is going to be good, which heavily depends how much is Microsoft going to pander to AI, as some leaks have come out that 12 is heavily AI focused, obviously these being leaks so take those with a grain of salt.

      In addition nowadays linux has made decent progress and is an actually viable choice to avoid being forced to cross over to 12 and making 12 look good.

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      I been testing it out for about a month and it is a nice OS, and been enjoying the HDR support. Did wonder why videos didn’t play initially though when I didn’t have trouble on Linux Mint and Ubuntu until I found out I had to install RPM fusion. But, after that smooth sailing so far.

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      My desktop has been running Linux for a while now, but I finally got tired enough with the repeated flops from Microslop™ that I switched my 6 year old Surface I use for surfing from the couch over to Mint.

      Not looking back at this point.

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        I’m close to a similar point, my PC has been Linux for a couple of years but my old surface book has been on windows 10 (with some 6 year security update thing that was mentioned during the time Win 10 was dropped).

        The main reason I haven’t dropped it is that I sometimes use it for work or uni, so compatibility and other people being familiar has been a priority but I’ve graduated and got a work laptop so it’s probably time to drop Windows outright.

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        If you ever distro hop on that, let me know how a touch centric distros works on it like Ubuntu touch. Was thinking of picking one up for couch browsing. RIP in peace my hackintosh Dell mini 9.

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          I’ll let you know!

          FWIW, touch works fine on Mint, and you can scale the UI up a bit to make it a little more touch friendly

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    Microsoft is like a nepobaby that has inherited their status and continues to make bad decisions to piss it all away without any severe consequence.

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    After switching to Linux (CachyOS) over a year ago now, I think I’ve booted my still existing windows installation twice. Both times was at the very start to get some settings from installed software to migrate and to sync some data or something, I barely even remember. That has also been over a year ago.

    Ever since I’ve switched, I stopped noticing I even have an operating system. I just use my PC. Unbothered by popups, updates and bloat are (re)appearing pinned in my start menu (no I didn’t want to have candy crush installed). Literally everything just works, and I’m mostly using my PC for gaming.

    I regret not switching much sooner.

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      I actually got rid of windows instance entirely, I just realized one day that I hadn’t booted it up in 6 months, thanks Linux.

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      I’ve also only booted mine twice. Both times because apparently you can’t update an Xbox controller from anywhere but windows or an Xbox and all I wanted was to Bluetooth connect my controller to linux so I could get an extra cabin in stardew valley 🤣

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        The current Xbox is still a decent emulation machine if you want to play old 360 and some OG Xbox games plus it does have access to retro arch so you can even play everything below 7th gen consoles. Not a bad system if you can find one used.

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      I switched whenever it was that I woke up and Copilot was installed on my computer without my consent. 2 years ago? More? Idk. I bought new drives because I didn’t want to dual boot, but also wanted to keep Windows “just in case.” Well, I haven’t booted from those drives once in that time. I did plug them in to get some files off them a few months ago, but they are back to collecting dust again. I think it’s about time to finally wipe them and put them back to work.

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      In my experience, I use Windows 11 pro and don’t get any stupid pop ups like that besides when I need to update the OS or update other programs I installed myself. Maybe it’s different on the other versions? I dunno… but it’s never been that big of a deal for me. I disable a lot of shit on it so it doesn’t do that to be fair.

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        People usually have different tolerance level for pop-ups and distractions based on their neurobiology.

        I have heard autistic people say pop-ups hurt and overstimulate them, ADHD people say they can’t ignore pop-ups, while neurotypocal people say they don’t even notice the pop-ups.

        So both experiences can be true at once. You have no issues with pop-ups, while for someone else physically can’t tolerate a single distraction without stressing them out.

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      I have a Windows drive on my current machine. I boot it every six to eight months just to see what people are talking about in forums. So I shake my head and boot back into fedora.

      In theory, I’m keeping it in case I bring my oculus cv1 out of storage. In practice, I’m pretty sure I’ll have bought a steam whateveritscalled long before that happens.

      It’s been literally years (possibly more than ten by now) since I’ve had to use it to run a game.

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        I run CachyOS on my gaming PC. I installed the OS, installed Steam, and the only regular work I’ve had to do since then is clicking the “upgrade now” button every couple weeks.

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            Once the bluetooth stack updated and both steam and the OS were fighting for which one was doing the controller emulation for the nintendo switch pro controllers. I just went in and turned off the OS controller support in the bluetooth settings.

            That’s literally the only problem I’ve had in… 9 months of this setup?

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              Interesting, quick solve too.

              This has convinced me to try it out. Pretty impressive. Now i’ll try CatchyOS to replace windows.

              Bazzite has been awesome while I only wanted to game.

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                Yeah, it was kinda frustrating cause I was trying to start a group game. BUT, I just clicked around a bit and figured it out, took maybe 5 minutes (of people watching me).

                Before that I used Windows for my console PC, and I can honestly say that CachyOS is easier to use than Windows, and less likely for an update to break something.

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                  Troubleshooting with an audience is never fun haha.

                  My only disadvantage seems to be my nvidia 4070 super…. But i haven’t seen a big issue with it in Bazzite. All im seeing and hearing are wins

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        It is absolutely no effort at all. When there are updates, you’re told in a notification. Click on it or don’t, up to you. You can of course also disable the notification and just manually update whenever you want (or not). Updating can generally be done through that tool, or through a normal GUI application that exists (where you can also install new software), or of course in the terminal if you prefer.

        There will be updates basically daily, that’s the nature of the rolling distro model. If there’s like 5-10, they install in literally 5-10 seconds. If you’ve gone a month it’ll probably take 1-2 minutes. Also just cause there are updates doesn’t mean you need to care about it. You should of course update frequently enough that security fixes get applies, but many people just update once a week or once a month or something.

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          Appreciate the response. Interesting vs my experience with Bazzite. Have the rolling, frequent updates broken anything?

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            In just over a year the only thing that ever broke was a minor thing (probably a bug in KDE that slipped through) with no practical impact and an easy workaround, which then got fixed in like 3 days or something without any intervention from me. I’ve had more (in numbers) and more severe breaks in the same time frame on a server at work that’s running debian, one of which was related to actually booting the server.

            The whole “rolling releases are so unstable” mantra gets thrown around a lot, and it almost stopped me from trying CachyOS/Arch when I switched. My personal experience has been the complete opposite. I honestly can’t tell if people who never tried these distros just keep repeating what they heard or read somewhere, or if I really am just pretty lucky.

            I love that I don’t have to worry about getting some semi-modern software to run, like I’m often worried when on a debian based server and have to manually install so much shit by hand that I’m losing track, which I then manually have to update in the future. On CachyOS, I just assume whatever I can install is the latest version (it usually is, only once was it not I did took a minute to figure that out as I just dind’t expect it anymore). And usually I can just install whatever I’m looking for.

            Another note: I’m running CachyOS on both my desktop and my laptop. My desktop I use daily, and I usually even update daily (it’s just the way I’m wired, and I don’t mind). My laptop I use rarely and consequently I only update it every few months or at least weeks. Neither approach has caused any issues. But do not assume that your install can’t break either, things can go wrong (as they can on Windows). But support for even relatively specific problems is reasonably easy to come by, and people are generally helpful (discord, forum, …).

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              Awesome recount, cheers.

              I’m definitely giving catchyOS a go then, Bazzite proved games can (on a N 4070s) run in a fun way, so now I’ll get CatchyOS to replace windows (gaming/light work).

              I’ve never had windows break on me, but I’m just so sick of the slop. I just want some peace when I switch on my desktop.

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      I left windows years ago and have been splitting the difference between Mac and Linux since.

      I’ve been working on moving off Mac too. The current beta is a speed demon (seriously impressive compared to Tahoe) but it’s still just a faster set of things I’ve come to hate. They are not even trying to solve a problem with their changes anymore. They are just selling things they have decided I must have.

      Remember when Siri just used wolfram alpha for everything and was loaded with Easter eggs? Now we have an invasive AI nobody asked for and all efficiency gains get wasted on horseshit.

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      When you say gaming, mostly indie titles and singleplayer?

      I’d love to switch over, but a lot of games don’t run on Linux (especially multiplayer games with anti-cheat). Yes, it’s mostly on the developers, but it’s annoying as hell.

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        Yes and no. I play singleplayer and indie games, but I also play competetive online multiplayer, but that’s mostly one game: Predecessor. It uses EasyAntiCheat and also just works. The games you play you can just look up if they work, usually it’ll be a yes/no and not more complicated and that mostly depends on the dev. Like Predecessor, where they ticked the box in EAC so it’s just fine. The number of games that do not work (specifically due to anti-cheat) isn’t huge, and well-known to check. You can just look up if it’s just a game or two you occasionally play, or if all you play is on that list (for a quick glance, check ProtonDB).

        You can also just try to switch, if you actually want to, and only go back to Windows for the few games that need it. Maybe you’ll switch back and forth for a long time. Maybe you’ll find it’s too much effort to switch back to Windows and you play something that “just works” on Linux. Or you’ll find the switching annoying and you’ll keep booting mostly to windows “just in case” you wanna play one of the games that need it. Trying it out is very little effort and time these days.

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        You say “especially” when it’s more like “almost exclusively”. Almost all games not bundled with malware (kernel-level anti-cheat) work with zero or minimal tweaking. It gets a little harder if you like to play with mods, though.

        Linux gaming has come a long way. Back when The Witcher 3 came out, there was no Proton and running a game with Wine involved a lot of tweaking. Even then, I got better FPS than in Windows but it was hard. Now, I don’t even think about it. I just assume it’ll work.

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        I made the deliberate decision years ago not to play multiplayer games even though having almost exclusively played those. It was just to get away from all the toxicity and competetiveness.

        So from then on I have only played singleplayer games, and it have been such a positive change for me. Much more entertaining and no stress at all. And the bonus was of course that it made switching to Linux gaming so much easier, since I didn’t miss out on anything I wanted to play.

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        Not who you asked but I’ve played Sims 2 and 4, stardew valley, Minecraft, grounded, Ark, Alice Madness returns, and something I’m blanking on right now. I’ve only had linux mint installed for 3 months now so I’m sure I’ll try more games. I’ve had no issues. Well, I used issues with extras for as 2 but that was a simple, I didn’t read directions lol.

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        That’s changing ATM as well, but i wouldn’t say a lot.

        It’s like about ~10 of the biggest multiplayer games that’s unsupported because of kernel level anti cheats. P much every other games work.

        If you’re in doubt about the compats of a specific title, check protondb :)

        Everyone should be able to enjoy their life without the curse of microslop and the hauntings of it’s pharaoh Gill Bates

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        For me it wasn’t alot, pubg would be fun to play every once but the developers basically killed it with the bots update anyway. Rust has a nice but sadly small linux community and alot of other shooters like squad and the finals should just work. Rocket league just needed a line in the start options to work after the anti cheat update. Overall i was positively suprised how many games still run.

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          Huh, cool that The Finals work, seems like developers can enable EAC for Linux. Bit dumb that not more do it.

          I’m hoping with the Steam Machine getting more popular that we get even more of a shift in the future.

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    Bring back windows 2000… Being forced to upgrade to XP just to get wifi integration was saddening, and the point where I jumped ship.

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      This is the thing that bugged me about newer windows. I grew up with windows starting from 3.1 and each version had some fundamental improvement (removing ram limitations, WiFi integration, plug and play support, and just a bunch of shit) that would make you want to “upgrade” and even stinkers like ME still did somethings well. Now? Fuck me if I found anything better after 7 with the windows experience. I still boot up 7 in my living room for my media PC, and its to this day still better then 10 and certainty 11. In fact its the last windows device I even have now.

      Like really, what is the rational in going to a new windows product in the last 10ish years? Broken features? Forced bullshit? Co pilot? Having the search be replaced by a Bing/co pilot eldritch horror? Its not security, windows has not been secure for a long while.

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        I agree with everything you’re saying here besides security. Windows 10 and 11 have received hundreds if not thousands of additional security patches that 7 never will receive, which would be crucial to using the internet safely today.

        However, 11 (and to a lesser extent 10) has horrific privacy invasive features built in, so it’s very much a trade-off there, making Linux the only option to have both security and privacy.

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          They’re leaky like a sieve and we just saw a few weeks ago bitlocker has a built in backdoor.

          Its broken by design.

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            I am in no way disagreeing that Windows 11 is a shit show, and wildly less secure than Linux, but realistically as bad as it is, it’s still going to have less open and known vulnerabilities than Windows 7.

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          Patches are not in themselves security. You are conflating updates with safety, like they want you to. Neither 7 or 11 are secure in any way I would put my weight behind.

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      I was the only person I knew at the time with 2000. Everyone was either holding on to 98 because millennium sucked out when xp came they went right to that.