So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
It’s always about “protecting the children” isn’t it?
Goodbye device ownership, and the last vestiges of free speech will die with this bill as well.
The last vestiges of free speech always have and always will be offline.
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Eat the rich
Sir, this is Lemmy. We came here because we were banned from Reddit. That’s about the extent of our action against the system that runs our lives.
I’m seen! 😊
Yeah, but if we keep advocating for violent revolution maybe someone else will do it for us so we can have better lives!
All we have to do is trigger enough people with nothing to lose so more molotov are thrown and ceo terminated till everybody have no choice to participate or become a GOP slave/body part reserve
For some of us we are too injured and broken to do much more then hope those who are of sound body and able to resist will do so.
Even an injured person can man a radio. Can produce leaflets, can distribute whistles, can send food and supplies.
Start watching resistance stories. Read books like full spectrum resistance.
You are not alone You are not powerless You do not have to feel defeated…that’s what they want.
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According to lemmy.world’s rules, as written by the Zionists in charge; advocating for any sort of violence would be against the rules. You have to go to those instances to see both proof of action plus advocating of further action.
You mean the shadowy place Mufasa told us to stay away from?
Never forget, anyone who doesn’t advocate for the exact specific things you advocate for is the enemy, and should be treated as such!
Doing nothing is violence
I agree, the people in charge of your instance, who happen to full-throatedly support the genocide of the palestinian people, do not however agree. That is something for your to wrestle with, and maybe choose a better instance should you wish to both advocate for or participate in acts prohibited to be discussed by lemmy.world’s rules.
I’m new and have no idea what an instance is.
Edit: nevermind I googled it. Pretty convoluted
It’s not.
You have an account on a server (instance). That server has an administrator. I have an account on a different server, which has a different administrator. We can speak to each other in the middle from these two separate servers, via federation protocols.
The administrator(s) on your server are loud and proud authoritarians and frequently silence any discussion of general resistance, among other topics that they don’t like. This is not a personal failure on your part; there’s not much way to know about it except to be told or to inspect the mod logs yourself. Now that you’ve been told, though, you have the opportunity to move to a server that actually respects your right to speak on the internet.
Or you may elect to stay on LW and be banned or censored without warning, and be lightly associated with auth-left idiots for anyone who knows what the LW admins are like. That is a choice that can be made.
If you are going to make a move, I’ll warn you that .ml is known for similar. Just about most anywhere else is hosted by sane people, frequently as independent projects, even more frequently as a direct response to LW and ML’s dumbfuckery.
Genuinely appreciate the response, thank you. Going to switch it up
Being honest? Why I came here. And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
Welcome!
Has anyone invited you to try Linux yet? (I’m joking. But Linux is pretty great now. Let us know if you’re Linux curious…)
Edit: Also, we love Star Trek here, but we only fully agree on the old seasons and on Lower Decks.
lol. americans don’t do shit
My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice
I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they’re doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country
In the land of “stay strapped or get clapped” your idea of resistance is joining a soup kitchen or tool library lol
Go on; what are you expecting to see?
My expectation is that Americans will continue getting fucked by their government because the only ones interested in ‘resistance’ will ladle at a soup kitchen about it
My brother in Christ look up the aforementioned SRA. You look like an idiot.
Not even gonna engage with the argument that feeding folks in your community isnt valuable resistance. Thats dumb as fuck.
How dare I not be familiar with every single local acronym you lot have.
Anyway let me know when a soup kitchen or tool library topple anything with your resistance larp
must be a huge important organisation. but, which one?
It’s a step that contributes which is better than nothing, though of course this is supplementary and more is needed
It’s an action that accomplishes nothing towards the stated goals but makes the person feel good about themselves.
No one can fight fascism when theyre worried about their immediate tangible needs. No one can fight much of anything when theyre worried about their immediate needs.
Its really hard to organize with people if you dont have ways of being connected to them. Its hard to have the needed trust. Its hard to network and know the right folks to have a connection the the right person when you need them. All sorts of community service help attend to these functional needs.
If you can’t see value in feeding folks in your community I’m glad you’re not part of mine, you sound like a POS.
Feeding people is great, pretending its some kind of ‘resistance’ is laughable.
Soup kitchens contribute to mutual aid setups, which are vital for subsistence and resistance movements against established institutions.
It is directly something that accomplishes movement towards stated goals.
Let me know when a soup kitchen topples a government institution. Until then all I see is cringe larping as a resistance movement.
You are dead right and you’re being downvoted by white liberals who can’t bear to entertain the idea that they might be part of the problem.
The SRA I mentioned is the socialist rifle association. I also mentioned ice watch, and stop cop city and stop detention center projects. The point was to suggest a number of things that would include some ways to get involved for a wide variety of people, people gotta start somwhere and folks have different risk tolerances
Kindly, did you think at all before you typed that? Kinda disappointed that 5 people chose to upvote that, what are you talking about?
Oh look, a keyboard warrior that has no idea how the US works.
How fuckin’ unique and edgy.
Generally you’re correct, but the string of warehouse fires over the past week all across the country has me hopeful that folks are finally hitting the long long long long long overdue breaking point.
I’m at the point where I don’t allow myself to get my hopes up for American news anymore.
That being said, the warehouse fires were a pleasant surprise that exceeded my expectations.
Fires? Plural?
I only know of the one.
Remember that the media will suppress these incidents.
Are there any media outlets resisting? I think you’re right. Hearing of growing resistance does make people less alone in their thinking and; grow action. But they need to hear in the first place.
Yep, literally only saw social media and maybe a single local news outlet reporting on it that day, I actually had to dig a little to figure out whether the story was sensationalized or not
I’ve seen a bunch of reports, none were live streamed so they haven’t broken through. Some are probably actually accidental but I doubt they all are, additionally the Molotovs thrown at Sam Altman house and a Tesla dealership. I believe I heard something about one at a Raytheon office.
There’s a lot of chaff I haven’t completely sorted through but again im hopeful
Yeah shits breaking down on the edges and will probably only gain more traction as energy bills hit come the summer with the obligatory spike in air conditionet usage. Depending on how things escalate it may very well be possible to see feds being chased out of cities by militia sooner or later.
With your attitude, nobody would be doing anything. You’re worse than the people causing these problems - you’re just a black hole of negativity here looking to shit on your fellow workers.
. . . . trump got two terms. what tf is america doing about the trump cancer?
ah. Nothing at all.
do something
Remember when windows implemented a feature that took a screenshot of your PC every 5 seconds or whatever? Now they know exactly whose screenshots those are and basically surveille your PC use as if watching from behind your back? Yeah…we know what they want. They want to effectively disarm our ability to use computers to challenge them. God knows what they’re planning to implement after this goes through. It’s not just about the laws they’re passing, it’s about what those laws enable them to do. Sure windows rolled back that feature, but it’s still there. They didn’t remove the code, they just changed what triggers it and if the PC user knows or not.
I’d have photoshopped an image of Satya Nadella giving head to Donald Trump and made it my desktop…
“Recall” this! Microsoft!
Never thought I’d see the day that a corporation as notoriously incompetent and milquetoast as Microsoft became a defacto Gestapo enforcer.
Calling Microsoft milquetoast when it has some heinous history is quite a thing to read 😄
Canadian here. If I can’t find a Linux distro that will not comply with this bullshit law, I’ll use my GrapheneOS phone and nothing else. Wouldn’t be the first time in my life I used a phone for everything.
It’s fucking Linux.
If you really wanted to, you could make a fork of your favorite distro and remove the age-gating shit yourself.
would be great to make a distro with it that had a very easy way to remove it. Like remove X folder and it won’t do it and will detroy any record of one put in.
Do you wipe your ass with that phone?
Sometimes. Why?
You wipe your ass with their phone?
Artix straight-up refused, and I presume antiX’s general stance is against age-gating as they proudly state their anti-fascist stance in their tagline, and as far as I’m aware Devuan is against age-gating as well. I also can assume Parabola and Hyperbola are against this as well.
And then of course Ageless is protestware.
Thanks for the list of distros.
Wouldn’t GrapheneOS have the Linux kernel and therefor also the same age restrictions? Genuine question here.
The bill targets “operating system providers” and it’s called GrapheneOS. So yes, they would be subject to this law if they are based in USA.
They’re based in Canada, and given their privacy-focused approach I can’t imagine they’d implement such a feature.
They’ve already stated quite clearly that they will not implement age verification.
You know till Canada does it and then they won’t have a choice.
This would have to live at the distro level I believe, not at the kernel level
We will keep defeating these nasty bills, we have to keep pushing and not just giving into what the government wants. As what the government wants is nasty as fuck! There will be means to circumvent such changes, Ageless Linux is working on categorizing the methods of evasion, keeping track of what Linux distros are deciding and doing in regards to Age Verification.
The thing is, this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
Have you seen any of the “iPad Kids” videos?
Holy shit, what fucking irresponsible parents.
this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
This horseshit is only happening because Meta is lobbying hard for it and throwing tons of money at it, because they want ‘protecting children’ to be the OS’s responsibility, not the website’s.
Meta needs verifiable human eyeballs on ads or rates will head wayyyyy down
No this is being pushed by Meta. Fuck zuck.
I don’t wanna Fuck Zuck. Might get something I can’t get rid of with soap and a sandblaster.
Napalm and a match will do the trick.
We have to get lucky every time. They only have to get lucky once.
its almost like our elected officials have forgotton who they work for. maybe its time for a reminder?
Abolish the 2 party system while you’re at it.
Oofta, I’d love to have multiple parties with different priorities to vote for. That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
Change the electoral system from first past the post to one of the saner alternatives (preferably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote) and the rest will follow on its own.
Problem is, what reason do Democrats or Republicans have to change it? As far as I can see they love trading back every term or two which means any electoral change will require tearing both parties down. Or could you start with states / towns first? I don’t know enough about US voting.
That bill had just been introduced. It is a loooooong way from passing. No need to panic. This is not our doom yet.
Now is the time to give those representatives a call, mention the bill number, and tell them in a few logical and polite sentenses why this bill is a terrible idea.
Fuck this bill. And it’s not going to be too late to use the less polite methods later. We lose nothing by trying to be polite first.
USA being USA! Bravo!
“…and for other purposes.”
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
What OSs are good to fork or download before this goes live?
They aren’t going to scrub the open source history… You can always just use the last version of whatever before the age check is added, but also there’s plenty of people who are just going to release versions without the age checks… There’s already https://agelesslinux.org/
Using parental control is too hard so leave it to the government huh
what a fucking joke
I don’t wish to live on this planet anymore :/
Wouldn’t this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don’t really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.
If you read this
lawbill in the strictest way, it makes almost no sense. It says that anyone who makes or controls an operating system has to check the age of every person who uses it. But it does not limit this to big companies. That could mean volunteers who help build Debian or even someone at home making their own version of Linux. Thelawbill would expect them to build a system that asks for (and verifies) a birthday before you can use the computer.It gets even stranger with websites like GitHub. If someone downloads shared code and uses it, the person who posted it might be seen as responsible. But they have no way to know who downloaded it or what they did with it. The
lawbill would still expect their system to check ages and share that information with app makers.Gets even more absurd when you start to dig at the definition of an ‘operating system’.
Besides computers and phones, lots of small electronic devices have a rudimentary OS built into them, including (among many other things) a lot of appliances these days. Forget needing to verify your age in order to use your computer, say hello to needing to verify your age in order to use a refrigerator … or a gas pump.
I’d say the major of equipment and devices in the POS sector of IT make this version of the bill wildly impractical and doomed from the start. They’ll either have to redraft it to specifically be about consumer devices or the retail, restaurant, and c-stores sectors will be up shits creek.
They have many ways to do this if they want:
- go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
- Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
- Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system
Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.
It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.
They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.
Multiple forks of software go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
This was a proposal a few years ago for how to enforce “trusted web”. Basically, a way for service providers to verify, at a per request basis, that the client is using an unmodified software stack, starting with an operating system signed by a trusted developer. Could absolutely be modified to enforce this shit.
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children’s traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).
Almost like it’s an excuse. Focus on their reasons, not their stated reasons.
