Iran could turn their front line soldiers into beings of pure energy and they could rip the life force right out of a tank.
Holy hell… Iran’s chalk full of Anime Protagonists
POWER OVERWHELMING
Oh we’re back from the wilderness scratching at the door to be let back in are we JD?
Thats…not how nuclear arms work.
Isn’t the smallest effective nuke the Davy Crocket? Pretty sure it’s warhead is still the size of a large hardcase suitcase.
If the US is saying Iran could do it, the US has probably already figured it out. Fallout is getting to be too damn real
Correction an Appalachian born yuppie with no technical knowledge claims they could do it. Unless Vance got bored and went through data on the nuclear arsenal then it’s probably a safe bet that he’s making shit up. Tactical nukes are a thing and backpack nukes are somewhat possible by an army definition of portable, but a nuclear suicide vest is just fucking asanine. Frankly speaking given the general purge of everyone with competency and the general ratfucked nature of these waste of biological matter I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the nuclear arsenal isn’t even fully understood anymore because everyone competent was fired or fucked off.
Isn’t that from the 1950s? Maybe top secret tech has progressed since then.
You need a critical mass of material to initiate an explosion. So there is a limit to how small you can get with them. That critical mass in not including all of the other gear they need attached to get it to explode.
It’s from the 50s but as I understand it nukes as we have them now require certain physical properties and dimensions to work with that being about as small as you can get. Anything smaller and the reaction either fizzles out, you get a dirty bomb, or the explosive yield is worse than traditional explosives of equivalent size. To make it any smaller you’d need a fusion bomb most likely.
You’d still need a fission bomb, to initiate the fusion reaction.
Probably, though as I noted the problem with such small nuclear arms isn’t their capacity but moreso their efficiency and consistency. A fusion bomb could help to amplify at least the capacity for destruction, assuming it can’t be circumnavigated through some technological fuckery, frankly I don’t think anyone can comment on fusion bombs with any degree of accuracy given that we haven’t figured out sustained fusion reactors.
SADM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition
the M388 looks small because you’re used to seeing normal recoilless rifles, not the mongo m29 one used to propel the M388 warhead on the Crocket…
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/weapons/davy-crockett-weapon-system.html it’s certainly still ‘small’ for a nuke, but iirc the sadm is smaller.
Right? Nuclear arms are supposed to be on arm sleeves, not vests.
It would be a nuclear chest
The US is incentivizing Iran to make nukes.
“Please make nukes pretty please? We can’t explain this war to our people without you making nukes…”
If there’s one thing that nations have learned about dealing with the U.S. it’s that nukes keep you safe. Nobody is threatening to put “boots on the ground” in North Korea
‘Iran could develop hulk technology and teleport directly into US schools!’ JD Vance
Well we know that you can teleport to a waffle house
As if they would ever be concerned about potential violence in schools
If it might lower the number of children they could sexually assault, Republicans will definitely care.
Does it negatively affect my billionaire friends? …is the only question they care about
‘Iran could develop time travel and kill Milton Friedman!’ JD Vance
‘Iran could develop zero point energy and antigravity tech to leave the planet to die in the hellscape we’ve gleefully created while they travel the cosmos!’ JD Vance
‘Iran could develop couches that chop off dicks!’ JD Vance
American civilians killed by Iran made nuclear slingshots and slippping on nuclear banana peels.
Won’t be so funny when you fall and split your pants (nuclear-style).
I will fall face first into a nuclear cream pie
Nuclear terrorism might be a thing, but I seriously doubt that the easiest way to do it is nuclear suicide vests. Miniaturizing nuclear warheads is a pain. If you were going to do something like that, you’d be better off doing something akin to a truck bomb.
Much more likely would be a dirty bomb. Just a regular bomb with some nuclear material that it spreads. The nuclear material isn’t the bomb itself, but used exclusively for the exposure effects. You don’t even need plutonium or uranium for this. There are plenty of other radiological sources to make dirty bombs. Old radiographic medical equipment for instance.
There are hundreds of thousands of orphaned sources in the world. Several of them have caused the worst radiological incidents in history.
The fact we don’t see this already is quite surprising.
I’m not that surprised. Radiation poisoning is a special kind of torture for EVERYONE. Shit would immediately invalidate any goodwill or sympathy for whomever uses them.
It would also be dangerous and expensive for the people making it.
It also wouldn’t be much more lethal than a bomb of equivalent mass. If you’re close enough to get a lethal dose of polonium or w/e, you’re probably also getting a lethal dose of shrapnel.
I’m kind of skepitical of the “dirty bomb” idea. Frankly, it sounds like a load of bullshit, because of the πr2 thing. Namely, if you want to irradiate and area to a sufficient extent to cause immediate radiation sickness, then keeping it concentrated is your best bet. A very small bomb, at most.
The other extreme would be a huge bomb to spread radioactive material over, say, a city. At which point it barely raises the radioactivity above background levels. Or at least doesn’t cause immediately apparent effects. Imagine terrorists issuing a statement like, “Sure, it doesn’t seem so bad TODAY, but wait 'til you see the slight bump in cancer rates in 20 years.”
Indeed, on looking it up, I see that the experts are skeptical, too, and tests conducted by Israel didn’t find much effectiveness. That could be why we haven’t seen one used.
Honestly, the problem with a dirty bomb isn’t the cancer rates or w.e, its the sheer amount of propaganda that has gone into scaring people over nuclear energy. Yes, the propaganda is mostly to stop nuclear reactors to force reliance on oil, but its still there.
I used to use a nuclear soil density gauge. The gauge was not at all scary, I could use it as a seat for a whole year, and it would have a minimal effect on my lifetime cancer rates.
But no matter how many times I explained it, as soon as I said “Nuclear Gauge” people got scared.
“Nuclear” has become a scare word, so a nuclear dirty bomb is terrifying to people.
Yeah, but destruction and loss of life isn’t the point. Terror is. If a dirty bomb was detonated in a city, and it contained enough nuclear material to say, cause a 10% jump in cancer outlooks over a 20 year period, that’s not the point.
The point is that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission needs to come out, shut a city down, do all sorts of testing, clean the shit out of everything, and disrupt everyone’s lives. The fear is the point, and as a fear-causing weapon, radiation is in a unique class all its own.
For that matter, then you don’t need to put any radioactive material in it at all, but just claim it.
I think the value would be the ‘terror’ in the general public if a dirty bomb went in downtown in any major US city.
I think that would make for an ideal terrorist weapon for use against the US
Fuck - I’m probably on a watch list again. I think I was flagged post 9/11 for online chat around laptops, bottles of water and vodka. Every flight I took from 2000 to about 2007 I was pulled out and patted down/bag searched/turn laptop on/…
That’s because you’re waiting for the other side to do it. Israel has used white phosphorus many times in recent times. There were also those bombs that create such a heat vacuum, they literally incinerate humans with no trace of them left behind.
Shit now I’m imagining Tony Stark miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and immediately going “this would make a really great suicide vest”
There is a minimum-amount of fission-fuel required, AND there is a minimum-amount of conventional-explosives required to compress the fission-fuel until it goes supercritical.
That detonator isn’t going to be small-enough to hide in a vest.
Absolute disinformation.
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He’s talking about a dirty bomb. And, technically, that is quite possible and doable by the Iranians.
It’s a stupid assertion, yes; but the engineering is plausible.
Do you actually need conventional explosives? I had the impression all they do is reliably stick the big hunks of radioactive material together in a big bomb that needs to be delivered at high speeds and detonate automatically. Wouldn’t it be enough to quickly shove a cylinder into a bigger core, perhaps with a motor or even a tensioned spring?
That of course doesn’t waive the issue of the amount of fissile material, or the fact it needs to be all put together (you can’t spread it around a vest)
There’s a difference between meltdown, inefficient/low explosion, & efficient high-explosion.
The neutron-emission’s cascading only when the critical-mass is in small-enough a volume,
& the heat it’s producing is making it blow-apart.
( I’ve seen video of 1 million watts of heat being produced by a 1-cubic-metre reactor-core, in a water-cooled reactor… the heat the reaction produces makes the fuel-rods incandescent, or at-least that’s the way it looked, in that video: it may have been Cherenkhov-radiation that I was seeing, or from gamma-rays being converted down to light or something… dunno… )
the more efficient you want the fission-reaction to be, the longer you have to force it together, while it’s blowing-up.
The explosives are required, for bombs, ttbomk.
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It’s not just reliably sticking the two subcritical halves of fissile material together, but keeping them there via inertia long enough for enough of the mass to go critical before the much more minor reactions blow them apart via melting/vaporizing the nearest surfaces.
If you had to halves of an atomic bomb core and just clacked them together mechanically you’d wind up with a lot of heat and a big old pulse of radiation, and if you were the one holding this device you probably would indeed die. But there would be no nuclear explosion in the sense we think of it as compared to actual functional nuclear weapons. At best you’d wind up with an energy release equivalent to a few pounds of TNT, which would be much easier to replicate with… a few pounds of TNT.
This has been explored to death, e.g. via the Demon Core experiments, where a critical mass of fissile material was brought together via manual means and the end result was the release of enough radiation to kill at least two people (albeit certainly not killing them instantly) but no explosion.
This has been explored to death, e.g. via the Demon Core experiments
If I’m not mistaken, in case of the demon core accidents, the reaction was always interrupted by the experimenter frantically separating the two halves, right? Doesn’t mean it would detonate, but using it as an example of why it wouldn’t doesn’t seem to check out if I’m remembering correctly.
It is stupid for even more reasons than that. I’ve thought about it back when North Korea had pretend nuclear suicide bombers march on their military parade.
Even if somehow they manage to cram one in a backpack that is carriable by a person, there is no advantage whatsoever given the blast radius. You will have to use a vehicle of sorts to get near the enemy and more importantly away from your friendlies anyway. Whatever distance you can cover on foot afterwards won’t make much of a difference. Might as well make it vehicle borne.
I mean, the W54 was small enough to be carried by a person and I don’t think anyone wants even a 1kt device going off near them. So it’s within the realm of possibility even if it does strain credulity as an actual goal Iran was working toward (let alone a solid justification for this bullshit).
Edit: the W54 weighed 51lb (23 kg).
“watch closely, because I’m only going to show you once”
I don’t think anyone wants even a 1kt device going off near them
Pussies.
That wouldn’t be a suicide vest, though; it’d be a suicide fat suit.
I mean, yeah, the Davie Crockett could fit in a back pack, a really big back pack
JD should stick to fucking couches, not nuclear physics.
I really wonder what happened when making that couch. The left one being on piece and then the right one having a seam between the bottom and the “pillow”. Thinking it’s either AI or some home project that didn’t pan out as planned.
I was thinking maybe it’s a sectional missing a section, with the part on the left being a sticky-outy bit for your legs that doesn’t have a back, and the part on the right expecting another piece on the side towards the camera.
Or AI.
If lemmy had an equivilent of retweeting, I would.
The Iran war is worse than the fucking Epstein files you weirdo
Oh yeah, the black and white world, where only one thing can be bad.
On a scale of “accusations made of child prostitution” versus the war crime of aggression, painting the latter as a mere distraction from the former is insane.
Did I stutter?
I don’t disagree, but let me direct your attention to Exhibit A:
She isn’t wrong, with only one addition; he will take down the entire world as well. Clearly.
I agree, he is a type of person to anchor on to anything that can sustain his own egocentric power. In fact, the time ticks till he decides that releasing another batch of Epstein files would prove advantageous to distract people from the genocide and war crimes he is commiting.
This shit again? Last time it was a brief case dirty bomb.
Also known as a snuke
Was that this bad guy in Episode 7?
That’s a lot more feasible. It’s not about the initial damage, but the consequences and the effect on public confidence in security. Which isn’t that high anyway.
I wonder if they make them to fit couch fuckers.
The fear mongering
When will this lying sack of shit starting painting his face orange?
His tongue is already stained orange
A new American tradition: all incoming Presidents must paint their entire body orange
Nah, not their entire body, that would look too natural
Maybe a dirty bomb with nuclear materials, but an actual fission bomb on a vest? No. Never mind they don’t have the enriched fuel, never mind just building a working device would be extremely difficult for them and that would be large like the Hiroshima bomb.
This is Iraq Weapons of Mass Distraction all over again. Fuck this administration.
It is actually possible, though it would stretch the definition of “vest.” It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54
The W54 was a 1 kiloton bomb that weighed a bit over 50 lbs. It was built to be a man-portable demolition charge. It’s certainly possible for something like that to be built in a way that could be concealed on your person.
It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.
Maybe that’s why people keep backing away from Trump. It’s not incontinence, it’s their dosimeter badges.
I love how inconspicuous it is:
Like something from Looney Tunes.
Hey sexy! Is that a rocket in your poc…holy shit! That’s a godamn big whatever it is!
Yeah. I’m imagining a suicide bomber wearing a huge fat suit like Mike Myers wore when played Fat Bastard. Just a giant fake belly with a literal nuclear bomb concealed inside.
Though really, I think the real problem with a “nuclear suicide vest” is simple practicality. Like, what’s the actual point? The whole point of a suicide vest is to be able to smuggle explosives into an area where they’ll do the most damage. A guy holding a bomb in his hands won’t be let into a crowded bus. Someone holding a pipe bomb is going to cause people to run away from them screaming. A suicide vest bomber seeks to sneak into a crowded space densely packed with many people. Suicide bombers need to get close to large numbers of people. They need a bomb that can be concealed on their person. Otherwise they end up doing no more damage than someone could with a handgun.
But a nuke? You don’t need to sneak the nuke into the stadium. You set it off five blocks away. It doesn’t need to be concealed. If you want to deliver a terrorist nuking, you would instead load it on the back of a truck with heavy radiation shielding. You don’t try to sneak it in to a crowded location. You just try to drive it into a dense urban area or near a critical piece of infrastructure and hope to not set off any radiation detectors along the way. A nuclear truck bomb is a reasonable fear. A nuclear suicide vest is laughable.
They cannot build a W54. This would be an early prototype device and that would not fit on a vest. Iran only has enriched uranium, not plutonium (according to news reports). It takes a great deal more uranium than plutonium to build a bomb. About 65ish kilos of +90% enriched for a uranium bomb.
The W54 is a shaped charge implosion device. To build a W54, they’d need plutonium. And the trigger to detonate shaped charges at the right time in the right order. Plus, they need a neutron moderator to limit criticality so it doesn’t detonate with the full potential of the nuclear material. This is all well beyond Iran’s capabilities.
Russia could do it though. Probably China too. North Korea? I think not.
The US made, in its dr. strangelove years, 2100 “davey crocket” backpacks that were 51lbs. The suicide vest is an arab insurgent tool, and meant to be much more discrete.
Iran is pretty good at missiles, and 4 weeks ago, and for last 30 years, was supposedly 2 weeks away from a nuke, as well as having a thing against Israel.
yeah the idea that Iran would use humans as delivery mechanism for nuclear weapons is a form of racist fetishization. it’s maddening, this man. but then. i’m appalachian. i’m the hillbilly that racist carpet-baggging son of a bitch hayseed spoke ill of in his book. and i swear to GOD that man put soap in the cast iron skillet i’m gonna hit him in the face with
Soap is fine as long as you have a complete seasoning.
yeah but you just know he’d put an old cast iron dutch oven straight in the dishwashes and then the cupboard
he whistles in the woods at night and in the house in the day
he painted his backdoor blue
he shoots birds at the window with a bb gun
…whats wrong with a blue backdoor?
appalachian folklore. it invites vile spirits into your home
A backpack device is BIG. It could not be concealed like a suicide vest. It also requires nuclear materials (plutonium) and a specialty implosion design and triggers Iran does not have.
An Atomic Demolition Munition was nearly the size of a 55-gallon drum and came in two pieces – the weapon itself and the equipment to detonate it – for making it easier to transport.
The SADM is 4 pieces, each weighing 18kg.
Nobody’s walking around with a nuke vest. Why bother? Bomb vests are made so you can walk into a crowded place. With a nuke, just drive it in a truck in the targeted neighborhood.
This is just Vance trying to scare some support into the disaster that Trump started to make us forget about Epstein.
FWIW, wp:Suitcase nuclear device.
Allegations were made in the 1990s that Israel had developed suitcase nuclear bombs during the 1970s.[28]
Gun-type nukes are relatively easy to make and can be pretty compact. The hard part is getting the plutonium
