All solved with one simple step, DON’T INSTALL THIS GARBAGE!
A dvd is roughly 768mb.
That means 6-8 Netflix movies are probably 4gb.
This is really not a lot, even with a billion chrome installs.
A dvd is roughly 768mb.
It’s 8GB
Only if it’s double-layered.
Single-layered are 4.7GB.
Shit… yes, I had cdr numbers memorized.
Also you had movie sizes misremembered - 700mb was 720p divx or 480p mpeg2, Netflix is now more often than not higher resolution that that (1080p for fullHD, minimum, for most people - I have an old TV that’s 1080p - though 720p is probably also available), and likely encoded at a higher bit rate, though I don’t know what file formats they use. A movie being 2gb is pretty normal for 1080p on torrent sites, and 4gb is not that uncommon for higher res
Thats a lot to me and a reason to keep them on seperate media. Honestly games are worse. Im not sure I would be wild about some rando software I install throwing 6-8 movies onto my machine along with the software.
So to clarify, I feel the environmental impact of the download is not a big deal.
Wasting gigs of hdd space and locking up ram during a hardware shortage is a dick move.
Especially when gemma3n isn’t even Google’s best 4b model, I’ve never gotten that model to do a single useful thing.
yeah actually I was weary about ai energy usage early on but ultimately determined it was really not all that much when comparing apples to apples. the real problem is people just going crazy doing things over and over that they otherwise would not be doing otherwise. Like generating images. but like using it as web search its more than one search of energy but you get more than one search worth of data. Also someone who uses their free time to talk with it as a buddy (I don’t get the appeal personally) instead of streaming video might very well use less energy.
Technically a DVD is 4gb; a CD is 768mb. But the size of a modern compressed movie is probably 800-1500mb.
That said, that’s a LOT of wasted space on the boot drive, especially given how much hard drives have gone up in price lately
So we now have a four-way evidence chain - macOS kernel filesystem events, Chrome’s own per-profile state, Chrome’s runtime feature flags, and Google’s component-updater logs - all four agreeing on the same conduct, and the conduct is: a 4 GB AI model arrived on this user’s disk without consent, without notice, on a profile that received zero human input, in a window of 14 minutes and 28 seconds, on a Tuesday afternoon.
How do we uninstall or block the download?
More difficult to remove than install. Adding the file took zero clicks. Removing it requires (a) discovering the file exists, (b) understanding what it is, © navigating into a hidden user profile path, (d) deleting it (and on Windows, also clearing the read-only attribute first), and (e) accepting that Chrome will silently re-download it on next eligible window unless the user also navigates chrome://flags, enterprise policy, or platform-specific configuration tooling to disable the underlying Chrome AI feature [5]. None of those steps is documented in the place a normal user looks - none of them is even hinted at in default Chrome.
This is 5: https://pureinfotech.com/stop-chrome-gemini-nano-download-windows-11/
Obviously only windows focused, so how other platforms stop would require more searching.
I don’t have Windows 11. Still on 10 until October then switching to Linux.
Don’t even bother with 11. At all.
I bought a win11 laptop, didn’t create any accounts just installed the os… Then microsoft locked me out of the laptop with thier new bitlocker bs. It won’t even let me factory reset the effing thing.Switched to linux and im happy. It’s just a steam deck, but it’s still a better pc than the bit brick.
Were you able to get your bitlocker key from your Microsoft account or save it when bitlocker activated? IIRC you can use that key to access the drive from a live Linux USB, get all your files off, then just install said Linux over the encrypted Windows install (which you should be able to do even if you don’t have the key).
There is no key. There’s no bitlocker account and theres no Microsoft account.
The key is created when bitlocker activates, if bitlocker is on then there is a key. It’s the same as the password you create when you encrypt your Linux disk, it just creates a stupid long one for you so you will be inclined to make an account to save it rather than just remembering it like a password.
Uninstall chrome
And install Firefox or one of its many forks.
Can you even uninstall chrome on an android phone? I only get the option to disable.
Probably not stock Android. I’m on GrapheneOS and it doesn’t come with Chrome at all. But I don’t think the article is claiming it happens on Android.
Vanadium is Chrome derived; but I’m sure Graphene de-enshittifies it to the maximum possible extent.
Technically speaking, it is chromium derived which does make the difference in this instance.
That depends on the ROM you are using.
The one i am using (https://iode.tech/) is using a firefox based browser that you can actually uninstall.
You can use adb on a computer to remove chrome.
this is very helpful info, thank you, didn’t realize this was possible.
Is this happening on android, too?
I don’t think so… yet… So not as disconcerting tbf, but curious to if it will come out of nowhere at some point, just like this.
Use Shizuku and Canta to uninstall any uninstallable app. Or if you don’t want to bother, just disabling works fine too as long as you are not worried about the storage.
Thank you for the excellent suggestion. Worked perfectly. Managed to uninstall about 50 pieces of bloatware from my phone, starting with Chrome.
Props to you @zerozaku
Happy to help! Real props to the devs of these amazing apps.
Hear hear. 📢
Learned about this the other day and gave it a whirl, worked great, felt reminiscent of old school iPod jailbreaking shenanigans, but I had no issues. Easier (in a way) than adb!
So it just to the Chrome app?
The article actually gives 3 options:
The only ways to make the deletion stick are to disable Chrome’s AI features through chrome://flags or enterprise policy tooling that home users do not generally have, or to uninstall Chrome entirely
- It can probably be reverted at their whim at any time
- You probably don’t have access to it
- It is the most realistic option, just use another non chromium browser
Even Chromium should be fine. I doubt it has the branded Google AI features.
The average new PC is equipped with a $115 1TB SSD, so 4GB is 0.4% of that storage space, all four put together comprise 1.6% of available SSD space - 1.6% of $115 is $1.84. So, across a billion users, how likely is this to make a dent in anything other than the bandwidth consumed in delivery? And updates…
Used to be. Have you seen SSD prices recently? 1TB is now ~$250 CAD.
my entire /usr directory is just a bit above 4 gigabytes. you can put a fully featured modern operating system into that size, or you can have google’s slop machine that no one asked for
I agree, it’s heinous, but how else are they going to sell MOAR RAM, MOAR SSD, MOAR MOAR?
The AI Mode pill in the Chrome 147 omnibox is a cloud-backed Search Generative Experience surface - every query the user types into it is sent over the network to Google’s servers for processing by Google’s hosted models. The on-device Nano model is not invoked by the AI Mode UI flow at all. They are entirely separate code paths - the most visible AI affordance in the browser does not use the local model the user has been silently given, and the features that do use the local model (Help-Me-Write in <textarea>, tab-group AI suggestions, smart paste, page summary) are buried in textarea-context menus and tab-group right-click menus that the average user will discover, on average, never.
What a double kick to the dick. First, they silently download 4gb to your disk, and they still fucking send your shit to their cloud AI.
>cloud-backed Search Generative Experience surface
😡🤢🤮
4GB is now a Nano model?
It’s probably a typo and supposed to be Nanu. In German, nanu is an expression of surprise. This model’s slogan is “Nanu, wo kommt das denn her?” meaning “Huh, where did this come from?”.
That’s interesting. It’s an “old man” way of saying “nani?!” in Japanese.
Was Mork attempting a surprised German, an elderly Japanese man, or some strange third thing?
That’s one toked up comedian. Can’t blame him for killing himself. This place is a fucking shithole.
Chrome includes AI, stop the fucking presses!
Who gives a shit? You use Chrome, Chrome uses AI, so it downloads the model like any other module. Don’t like it? Don’t use Chrome. There are dozens of other perfectly good browsers.
Dozens of other good browsers?? What world are you living in lmaoo
Well, there are, but they just happen to be using webkitgtk2 or qtwebkit, which can be problematic on websites made with modern, bloated frameworks. And, ad blocking options are more limited absent ublock. Depends on your definition of good I suppose. I much prefer minimalist browsers, like vimb, and then just avoid bloated and ad-riddled sites. But, I inevitably need to use librewolf for some stuff.
edit: on linux anyway
The AI model we’re talking about here is not used for most of the AI features, which instead relies on cloud services. Those 4GB are there only for a fringe feature most people don’t know/don’t care about, hidden behind hoops you’ll have to jump through to get.
I think the outrage is due to the fact that it is standard on a ton of devices, and not easily uninstalled or removed.
What devices include Chrome as standard? I don’t recall ever seeing a desktop or laptop already have it installed. (The article doesn’t claim this is happening on Android.)
I thought my win 11 came bundled with it, although I could be wrong.
As far as difficulty to uninstall and remove thats an android situation, but I feel like that could be the next OS to get this treatment (speculation).
Chrome is often baked into pre-built computer images these days.
Every mainline android ROM includes chrome as default.
Remember how few years ago there was a massive outcry when U2s album was downloaded to devices without permission?
The big deal about that was that it was added to people’s libraries and couldn’t be removed.
This isn’t pushed in your face, and you can easily uninstall Chrome.
The U2 album could be easily removed. The issue is that the average iTunes user doesn’t remove songs from their libraries, and thus had no idea the option to do so even existed and just assumed they were stuck with the album.
Idk about that, you can’t uninstall any of the ai bs they put on phones and computers, from microsoft to android. You can’t uninstall edge on a newer computer either, not without being an IT specialist or whatever.
Well, and it was U2.
I remember when microslop was sued for monopoly antitrust for packaging a browser with it’s OS, pretty sure now in win 11 it resets default to Edge on every reboot.
Remember how pissed off everyone was when Sony added software to people’s computers?
Do you mean that time they installed a rootkit on people’s PCs when they went to play (what was supposed to be a) music CD, or the time they retroactively and remotely sabotaged Linux on people’s Playstations?
Just wondering which massive felony that should’ve landed the entire C-suite in prison you’re referring to, since there was more than one.
Hey come on now, there’s no need to lie. We all know that when the C-suite does it it’s not a crime in America. It’s illegal to hold them accountable!
/wrist :(
The sad thing is that Sony is multinational, and they weren’t prosecuted in Japan or anywhere else, either.
I think the rootkit was only on CD’s sold in North America. I could be wrong though.
…did you mean to say Korea?
What do you mean? I don’t follow.
Nope Europe too
major L
I may be a forgetful curmudgeon, but I sure remember those!
*shakes cane at things*
Remember when people used to go insane in newsgroups screaming bloat if a program update was 80 KB bigger than the previous version and now people do not notice an extra 4 GB.
Two decades. We’re old
It was last year. /s
I believe they did it a second time more recently.
As I said, few years ago.
Free music was awesome.
No they took payment
If it was actually good people may not have cared so much.
Even if it was good - and it’s not - it’s still an incredibly unethical thing to do.
Agreed
To be fair, I’d probably prefer the 4gb model.
My mom never used iTunes on her phone, meaning she never once put any music on her phone, and so she was completely confused/angry when she’d get in her car and suddenly it would pair and start playing this U2 album. She didn’t know how to stop it, so it would play over and over (she’d just drop the volume). It also didn’t help that the cover art is among the gayest things to ever appear on her phone screen. I’d come home to visit and get in her car and she’d just start hollering “this stupid thing, where did this come from?!?”
I remember when Sony installed rootkits on our home computers when we played CDs with music we bought.
I have not bought a single Sony device or product since.
Never forget.
Maybe that why Google sent me this bullshit
Congrats! You’ve just beaten the final boss and finished the main quest of Gmail. Sounds like a great time to switch to Tutanota.
A joyous day!
Will need look into that, would love to self host my email.
That’s totally doable! Get a domain, find a server you like, pay for hosting, and you can install whatever you want on it. If you want to have your own cloud service, just install nextcloud. Install pihole and start blocking ads everywhere. Do you want to run an LLM in your own cloud? Totally doable as well. Maybe even host a Fediverse instance, while you’re at it.
I know I don’t have the time and energy to play admin in my free time, but I can definitely see the value in a hobby like that. I don’t mind paying for a cloud service or email, because that way I can be sure amateurs like me aren’t running the show. Obviously, I’m not paying Apple or Google to defile me. Those scammers don’t deserve my money or my data. Privacy respecting companies deserve to be paid for their efforts though.
How is a local model being downloading on your computer counting against your Google cloud storage?
How was the van repair?
What? I don’t own a van.
Top row of your screenshot
Oh that yeah that Trent the Traveler. And that was a Patreon exclusive video. And it got it fixed.
Suuuure, “buddy”…
Yessss.
Cool!
Busssssted
What is a Google One plan?
Edit. Oh i see. Is that 15gb the original storage for gmail and stuff? Are we that old that we’re filing that up? Oh man
My Gmail had 17 or 19GB last time I checked… Gotta love when they would give you extra storage just for doing a ‘security check’.
No my Gmail isn’t even full, my wife got same email. Fucking scam to make us sign up for their extra storage.
I think they lowered the threshold
I remember when Gmail was advertised as unlimited email storage. Then they limited it. Then they sold more storage for it.
I remember when the Google Pixel offered free unlimited high quality photo backup to excuse the fact it had no SD card.
Then it offered free medium quality photo backup to excuse the fact it had no SD card.
Then it offered nothing because it had squeezed serious competitors with SD cards out of the market.
It still does, for models that were sold that way. My Pixel 4 still gets free uploads to Google Photos. Which I should really move to immich one of these days.
I’m told it’s finally time to make the move
High quality uploads were free for all Google Photos users and tben they changed it to medium quality and now we get nothing.
I used high quality uploads for a long time deleted the original files. Turns out those *high quality" uploads were not very high quality and realised that I have ruined years of my photos believing in this gimmick. Fxck Google.
I don’t remember Gmail ever offering unlimited storage, and I can’t find any record of that offer ever being made, either. When they first launched, they gave 1GB, which was the highest of any free email service at the time by an order of magnitude, but never unlimited.
Google One is the combined storage of every service you use, even accidentally. Google Photos Gmail, Drive, it’s all in there.
Emails take up some space, especially if they have embedded images or attachments.
The article, as usual, makes no comparison to the environmental impact of companies like McDonalds (who use PER DAY what every AI data centre combined in the world uses PER YEAR, not companies like Shell or BP who are orders of magnitude worse than that. This is the usual anti-ai fear-mongering bollocks.
Should Google have installed it unasked? No, that’s bullshit, possibly illegal bullshit but honestly considering how disingenuous the environmental impact is I can’t trust the legal stuff that I don’t know about either. But it is not an environmental catastrophe as whoever wrote this article would like you to believe for some reason.
Honest question: why are the haters pushing their nonsense? What do they have to gain?
look im far from a monger but this argument makes no sense. mdconalds makes food. which is a necessity. In addition its actually pretty well known for its efficiency. So its a question of output vs input. Now granted. super unhealthy but they don’t sneak mcdonalds into your home cooked meal while your not looking. This article is far from nonsense.
Food is necessary, McDonalds is not. Shut up.
I see what you’re saying and, parts of it, I’m on your side!
Those final two words there, I must say, do a disservice to the comment. One thought experiment: what makes Lemmy a pleasant place to debate?
Grocery stores are unnecessary too, you can just go kill/harvest/forage your own food. Shut up.
No, that’s a really fucking dumb argument. Stop being an idiot
No, that’s a really fucking dumb argument. Stop being an idiot
Take your own advice. I can grow and raise my own food, so the grocery store is just a convenience. You’re just angrily trying to draw a meaningless line in the sand to prop up your
egoargument, and it shows.No, I’m angrily calling out bullshit that is bullshit, but you thought Terminator was a documentary and so will immediately believe anything that says AI is bad no matter now outlandish rather than actually learn anything
None of that refutes my point, or supports your non sequiturs, and is just making up bullshit about what you think I believe.
thanks.
What for? Coming out with a fucking stupid counterpoint? Weird thing to thank someone for
Oh, some whataboutism. Great.
Also great to know you don’t have to pay to get storage in your devices, otherwise you’d be quite unhappy to see it taken out of your control for no feature (Chrome still relies on cloud services for most AI features).
I don’t even know what you’re getting at here. You claim my comment, which points out how disingenuous the article is, is whataboutism, then provide some whataboutism.
Article talk about pushing a large model on people’s computer. You minimize this by going about McDonalds, Shell, BP. Do you even know what “whataboutism” mean? Your first sentence is “what about McDonald, Shell, BP”.
I’m calling out how stupidly and obviously disingenuous the article is. That’s not whataboutism. Do you know what disingenuous means? The article claims it has a huge environmental impact. It doesn’t.
Pointing out the huge environmental cost and relative uselessness of shiny word predictors is not pushing nonsense.
Claiming a tiny environmental impact is huge in order to push an agenda is bullshit and you know it
Sticking your head in the sand and pretending everyone has an agenda is bullshit and you know it.
Right back at ya! Calling out bullshit agendas is not bullshit and you, know it
Ok dude. Enjoy
Fuck off
Classy. Did you learn your conversation skills via the internet?
I think we found the google engineer.
Why? Because I’m not keen on lies and bullshit? I don’t work for google
I’m gonna need some references to back up those energy claims. I do not see McDonalds (or any other restaurant) operating methane gas turbine generators because the energy grid can’t keep up with their power demands.
I would assume the enormous environmental impact of McDonald’s comes from the amount of meat, specifically cow, they are responsible for
Can you convert those cow meats into watts? I was asking about energy usage in the context of that specific claim
Sure. 1 kcal ≈ 1.162 watt-hours.
Are they hating, or are they pointing out that companies that claim to be honestly working towards a “greener” end are adding unwanted and unnecessary code to users computers against their will. Code, BTW, that can not be removed permanently and adds not only the cost of the bandwidth of the download used, but also the general cost of the cloud-backed nature of it’s functioning to the mix. As someone that doesn’t use Chrome or the cloud, I’d be furious… The Keystone Agent (a perniciously rotten bit of code that eats clock cycles in one’s system and runs constantly in the background) that chrome updates with - it’s exactly why I quit the browser years ago.
Nuts to that.
Chrome sucks, sure. Did you have a coherent point beyond that? No, didn’t think so.
You asked… I answered.
Dunno why you’re so butthurt over the fact that beyond the environmental claims, the issue of code being deployed into someone’s system without their permission or any ability to halt or prevent it means less to you than the former point.
Do you work for google? 'Cos damn dude, you’re coming down on this like you do.
The environmental impact of AI is massively overblown all the fucking time and I don’t like lies. And I do like AI
Can I send you this month’s electric bill to split the difference off of?
I have maintained a rigorous control on our home power useage for years and in spite of this, the bill has increased roughly 52% in the last year - and it’s aparently down to the increased demand that needs to be supplemented by purchasing power from outside of our region because of data centers.
If you love it so much… How about YOU pay the extra cost for those of us who did not ask for, and do not need, it.
It’s all part of the same thing… offloading burdens from the provider - be it a data center or google, onto the user, without permission.
No. It’s risen because corporate execs think they can gouge you for money to increase the high scores in their bank accounts. Increased demand means they’d be selling more which would mean more profits or even your bills decreasing if they were being fair. As usual it’s corps and billionaires that are the problem
Data center operators can and will negotiate yearly rates for bulk electricity up. That’s how they can guarantee supply, by paying more than the competition. Small local distributors will never have that kind of leverage, that’s why consumers end up paying more.
So yes, you are correct in saying that corporations and billionaires are the problem, but in this particular case, it’s because of a particular subset of those.
Hmmm. I wonder which corpo executive runs my local community power collective.
What do you think this nano model actually achieves?
Because I know why someone would want to eat a burger, or fill up a tank, but why would anyone want this running in their computers?
Just because you can;t think of a use for AI doesn’t mean it’s useless, twit, it means you l;ack an imagination. Also that’s really not the point, the point is one of the major claims in the article is bullshit. Do you have any comback to that? No?
Jeez, calm your tits, I think I asked politely enough so I wouldn’t deserve this kind of response.
My question was what do you think this particular model does, not what is achievable with AI in general. And I’m asking because a model that weights 4GB is not some trivial thing that every Chrome user wants or needs loaded in memory.
That’s nothing to do with my point that the article’s claim about the environmental impact is bullshit. I don’t know or care what that model is, I’ve not looked, and it’s not relevant to my point. And yeah, you haters do deserve anger as a response because you are actively making the world worse via wilful ignorance, and we know what that does because of arseholes like trump and farrage.
I don’t hate AI. I work for an AI company. But I hate the uselessness of a lot of the AI derived products. So, for me, burning a single drop of oil to write an email in business speech, post a video of a kitten in a superman outfit, or make a Trump Jesus pic, is a waste.
And in many ways, AI is actively making the world worse too, from big tech stealing content from everyone to train their models, to deepfake content flooding social media, there’s no good coming out of that. So maybe you should chill a bit before going off rails like you did.
You work for an AI company and can see no good coming from AI? What?
Is AI your field of work or research? Genuinely curious.
Maybe you should tell your model of choice to re-read my comment, because clearly you didn’t get the nuance in it.
But in plain words, yes, one can work in a field and be critical of the misuses.
The increasing enshittification of every service pushed me to GrapheneOS long before Google could force this shit on me
The article doesn’t really say but this is just for desktop chrome right now right? I’ve long had chrome disabled since graphene isn’t an option unless I build it myself but I do worry about that pesky web view that snuck it’s way into everything.
Desktop chrome only
I don’t use Google Chrome, LULZ
Can someone ELI5 why they are doing this? I thought all the AI shit was in the cloud?
AI runs in the cloud because it needs a powerful server to run the biggest (i.e. “smartest”) models.
The cloud servers are doing nothing special that another powerful enough computer could do, just a huge amount of data processing.
You can run an ai chat on a steam deck or directly on a phone, if it’s not too demanding (“smarter” models are bigger data files, so won’t fit in the memory of a small device).
Today, for instance, I had a phone call from “Spectrum Internet support” and part-way through the call my phone blared an alarm and said “possible scam” on screen.
The phone itself interpreted the conversation as sus.
https://support.google.com/phoneapp/answer/15654065?hl=en
For Pixel 9 and later devices: Scam Detection is powered by Gemini Nano on-device
The cloud being a bunch of computational power (servers). A bunch of phones in a network also can be utilized for said computational power. Passing the savings on to you! ;)
I recall this. Pretty much the same idea, but this time it is opt-out(or is it actually?)
They need their features to work offline too probably.
In an internet browser?
Yeah, even there. A page loading is one thing, but browser features are somewhat independent of the content. There’s also a good chance this is being used as a hook for other Google products like Drive or Docs (which are basically websites under the hood) to allow offline file management, creation, etc.
It’s a bad choice, but it wouldn’t be the first bad choice Google has made.
It’s also cheaper, if they can offload a portion to the user’s computer.
Cheaper for them, that is.
What I want to see is throttleable models, kind of like progressive JPEG, where the default model is “nano” and it has a watch function that analyzes if more tokens might be needed for a certain task and scales up as needed — identifying if the resources are too much for the device and offloading to the cloud (with explicit permission) only if (but always if) needed. Over time as the technology improves, larger models move to the endpoint.
And then people could have a basic set of sliders: on-device only, on-cloud only, or somewhere in between, based on the user’s preferences.
That’s basically model routing, and has existed a while. Open AI’s GPT-5 and llama-swap do that, for example. If the task is simple, it uses a smaller, less intensive model, and only uses the slower, larger one of the task is more complex.
Though most tend to operate with models on the same device/service, rather than a model run elsewhere.
The Gemini on my device just became 10x smarter. Google Assistant didn’t know ‘what was the temperature a year ago’. and Gemini has no problem with it.
I’m not sure if Gemini is that much better or they slowly degraded Assistant. I distinctly remember being able to ask certain things of Assistant and a year ago it stopped working. Assistant was still there but many requests no longer worked.
Android Auto was recently upgraded to Gemini. On a drive today, I asked Gemini to explain the privacy implications of bill C-22 (Canada), and it gave me very detailed clear explanation of the pros and cons of the bill, asked if I was a company or person and then gave me highlights relative to who I was. Pretty impressive actually.
Assistant was made 100x stupider over the course of the years. I clearly remember in 2020 asking basic questions like “where’s Lima” and it replied “Peru”, while since 2023 it replied “ok, starting navigation to Lima, Peru, estimated time 2 days and 10 hours”.
Around 2023 also they made the voice assistant completely useless by changing the responses from “for this answer open the link in your notification bar on the phone” to “sorry, I didn’t understand”, which was pissing me off too much. I completely stopped to use it as 9 questions out of 10 would be “sorry I didn’t understand” instead of “I understood but I’m not programmed to give a voice answer, use your phone”.
Navigation by voice was a complete disaster.
“Navigate to <CONTACT NAME>” - “Ok navigating to <a random business 1000 km away with a name slightly similar to what I said>”
Or, it dropped the road name: you asked to go to “street name, city” and it placed the destination on the geographic center of that city
Also the navigation instructions would have maximum priority and would play even when listening to a command.
“Send a message: I’m going to be late <assistant overlaps my speech>” - “Sending: I’m going to be late on the next exit take the right lane then after 600 meters turn left. Ready to send it?”
“Call Anna” - “OK, I call Daniel”
It’s funny because they’re trying to find ways to cut cloud costs by offloading to users, but when that’s not a concern, they shove everything into the cloud and then ensure no local running option is available or viable.
When something is free, you are the product.
You’re forgetting FLOSS. That wisdom only applies when the product is made for financial incentive and is free, and not always then either.
What are you even talking about?
They want all of your data in the cloud so they own it.
They want all their crap on your device, so you pay for it.
Bingo
Not on mine
My Google chrome took 10GB space on system disc so I needed to unistal it. Now I use only Firefox.
